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I would like to know if the tiger albinos is co dom or recessive, or just line breed trate?

Because there are cheap and expensive and verry expensive ones. There were also some offerd as hets???
And who would like to pay thousends of bugs, just for a line trate?

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Greetings from Berlin
Stefan & Raimo

R.B.E.
Reptiles-Breeding-Enterprise.com

i'm confuses as well!i'm guessing its a red phase thang.i think of a tiger as a left side to right side band.all the tiger bandeds ive seen look like they need to be refinded and line breed too.then some of the restripes or clean backs have a tiger/jungle look to them also.not the round twin spotted dorsal stripes but the tear drop triangle dorsal stripe patterns.
then i start to think about the paradox you see in the dorsal or some of the tiger/bandeds ,reds...
i may have just confused everyone even more, but i to think its worth looking at a little more.
i picked up what i think of as a tiger at a show mixed in with normal colors.if there is a normal color.

the red clean back.its still very small but the belly has some rose/pink in the middle of the black.some have more of a banded pattern w/ the stripe thing also like the red one in a post below.

sorry if i confused anyone.i may just be thinking about something else all together.
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I have a Tiger albino,and I also saw them being sold as hets,when I bought mine I was under the impression that this was a recessive trait, it would be nice to have some more info on this trait so i know what im working with??????????????

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Brent Bumgardner
bwbumgardner@aol.com
703.431.1776
Superconda Website

>>I would like to know if the tiger albinos is co dom or recessive, or just line breed trate?
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I myself would like some answers to this as well. I have several that have the tiger look but I didn't pay anymore for them. I have seen some advertised but it seems the trait has been changed around bit from recessive to line bred.

Is there anyone that can give an honest answer to this? I would really like to know more about this neat gene.

LOL

Well, 1st of all whoever sells tigers as het recessive or co-dom is either working with there own distinct line or there mistaken.
Years ago I coined the term Tiger Hog to describe a specific pattern that appear here and there in certain lines as well as to decribe animals I was producing.The pattern is characterized by bands that start at or close to the belly and go all the way to the top dorsally but do not crossover the back as in true banded animals. As stated on my website from almost day one I have no ideal what it is. In one line I would get almost 50% then in others less or more..the degree of pattern is variable as well. I believe that through time and proper breeding it could be refined into something more predictable. But currently it's just a very cool looking snake. I have never sold or offered hets for this trait nor have seen anyone do so.I would hope this stays the case until the gene is refined.

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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

It's sounds like it is one of those pattern morphs that you will never be able to accurately pin down. I few others like this that I have worked with are the striped coastal plains milks, vp sinaloans, and bailey's stripe honduran. Very cool projects if you like to guess what your going to hatch.

How much inbreeding and out crossing have you done so far and how much do you plan to do with them? The ones I have acquired I am keeping for just novelty unless I get some wierd hatchlings.

Well currently I have not bred two tigers together due to the fact there usually from the same litter or line etc..
I have a few saved back and this year will be the 1st.
I am breeding a WC line of tigers to the Extreme Red Line of tigers..They have a very cool look and what's really interesting is that some color morphs have this same pattern.
I do plan on back breeding some of these lines, but I prefer to get some new blood in 1st.

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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

I am breeding a WC line of tigers to the Extreme Red Line of tigers..They have a very cool look and what's really interesting is that some color morphs have this same pattern.
>>I do plan on back breeding some of these lines, but I prefer to get some new blood in 1st.

Breeding the wc line into the extreme reds?

Won't that just cause more confusion because you don't know how each one reproduces itself as of yet?

I am all for outcrossing but first I would want to know what I was outcrossing. I would most definetly want to know what I was working with before crossing lines. Just my opinion on the situation.

I dont get the wild cought stuff,after i produce the first anaconda all the wild cought stuff was out the door,if i want to outcross i would use good clean CB unrelated animals,

Just my Opinion

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Brent Bumgardner
bwbumgardner@aol.com
703.431.1776
Superconda Website

I wish I would have ben on the other side of that door Lol…
I have dealt with the gambling of healthishoes of breading CB males or females with WC, at the risk of losing him or her(CB), I recommend whoever(CB) comes in contacted with (WC). Don’t come in contact with the rest of the collection.(Permanent qworitin) in my opinion …,None of my CB has had eny probs with coming In contact sofare …....mine are to this day still dedicated to that project and I wish the CB could come back in and bread to CB agin but I can’t risk the other animals

( QWESTOIN ), is there a better way ?

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D.Dedrick

Both Hogs looking nice, but when I read your first post:

>>The pattern is characterized by bands that start at or close to the belly
>>and go all the way to the top dorsally but do not crossover the back
>>as in true banded animals

and take a look at the second pic and think at some pics of Dan´s tiger, then I´m more confused.
Because Dan´s Tiger has only 6 or 7 smal pattern-parts that look similar to your tiger-description in your post.

But all three Hogs will be caled Tiger?
So "Tiger" is only a description of some patternchange?
and not a Name of a proven Line let alone a line-breed-trait?

That´s the reason why my confusion is bigger than before!!!

Stefan
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Greetings from Berlin
Stefan & Raimo

R.B.E.
Reptiles-Breeding-Enterprise.com

Now that we have come to the conclusion that Tigers are just a simple line trait, and you really dont know whats going to hatch out when breed to a WC or CB or even another Tiger.It seams to me that for some reason the Tigers hold more value the other proven traits and the Tiger pattern can be totally unpredictable?????????????????????????????????????????

Would this be a tiger anaconda

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Brent Bumgardner
bwbumgardner@aol.com
703.431.1776
Superconda Website

Now that we have come to the conclusion that Tigers are just a simple line trait

Actually your wrong..nothing is proven yet.

One line has 50% tigers when the visual mother is bred to another so perhaps co-dom or just a very strong line trait...

Too early to go either way.
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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com

look the pattern from the hatchlings nearly the same like the "Tiger"?
or do they look more between both "parents"?
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Greetings from Berlin
Stefan & Raimo

Reptiles-Breeding-Enterprise.com

>>Now that we have come to the conclusion that Tigers are just a simple line trait
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>>Actually your wrong..nothing is proven yet.
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>>One line has 50% tigers when the visual mother is bred to another so perhaps co-dom or just a very strong line trait...
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>>Too early to go either way.

50% when bred to another tiger?

With nothing proven and it bring way to early to go either way, wouldn't you say it's too early to sell at such a price? Maybe even hold off on marketing them until something is proven? I'm not saying to not post progress on the projects but hold off on prices.
From what I've read here I would say the tiger hogs closely resemble the Oreo/Halloween pueblans. A cool looking snake but a novelty morph with it's unpredictability.

If the Tigers have beed on the market for over three years and from VERY LTC animals ,how can this not be proven one way or another, and how can these be on the market priced higher then a PROVEN co dom trait ???????????????????????????????????????????

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Brent Bumgardner
bwbumgardner@aol.com
703.431.1776
Superconda Website

The tigerish albino in this thread was prodused by don . Hopfuly he can chim in and give some insight as to what the inerworkings of this line is. in this pic i hached an albino femal she was the only one that looked this way, from a male that shoed no visible makers

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D.Dedrick

I think that the tiger extreme albino Justin has was one of the extreme albinos from my extreme red het to his extreme albino. I never really looked for bands like that but it is kind of neat and different. My female extreme het does not have any tiger bands in her but she came from Gary Gaziano through Regis so I'm not sure of her background. I do think it is line breeding but more work needs to be done.

>>>>I think that the tiger extreme albino Justin has was one of the extreme albinos from my extreme red het to his extreme albino

Yes, SHE is ! one that you produced and she is a looker, I had a similar experience with a male from (him). but I only got one out of the hole clutch. good thing it looks cool or it would really mess your pattern up LOL.
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D.Dedrick

The WC line of Tigers, the male is VERY LTC and female is a F1 , the animals themselves are quite clean LOL.

"But all three Hogs will be caled Tiger?
So "Tiger" is only a description of some patternchange?
and not a Name of a proven Line let alone a line-breed-trait?

That´s the reason why my confusion is bigger than before!!!

Stefan"

You are correct
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Justin Mitcham
ExtremeHogs.com