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Poor choice for substrate

gmerker Feb 25, 2009 01:53 PM

I am writing this to let you all know about my experiences with the product “Cell-Sorb Plus®”. I first saw Cell-Sorb Plus® at a local reptile shop this past July noting that the package labeling listed its safe use for reptiles. After making an inquiry about the store’s experience with the substrate, I decided to try it. In the past, I have used paper towels, newspaper, and CareFresh® with no problems.

I initially tried Cell-Sorb Plus® because I liked its density. I felt it would hold heat better than CareFresh®. To be honest, I also felt it had looked better in the cages than the latter substrate as well. I maintain well over 150 enclosures and decided to change over to the new substrate on a need-to-be cleaned basis. By late November, all of the cages were filled with Cell-Sorb Plus®.

Unfortunately, by this time period, I also started to notice a larger-than-usual die off of animals. For the past 15 years, on average, I would lose about one to two animals per year (around 1% of my collection). Most of these deaths could be attributed to old age, egg retention, etc. By the time I was finished using Cell-Sorb Plus®, I had lost close to 15 animals, mainly young and old animals. I lost my first animal, a Gray-banded Kingsnake in September. Since it was only one animal, I did not think the substrate was to blame. I started brumating animals during early November and by late December had a massive die off. Animals would die an excruciating death, often dying in agony with their mouths open. I concurrently noticed many animals have extremely worn eye spectacles and head scutes (see image).

At this time, I felt the substrate was causing problems and changed over all animals back to CareFresh® or paper toweling and turned on the cage heaters. Animals with severe scale damage were placed on damp paper towels on heat. Although not as numerous, I still had a few animals die after being placed on a different substrate. These animals were for the most part pretty scuffed up from the Cell-Sorb Plus®.

Three of my animals that died have been necropsied. I received the results from all three this past week. These animals died due to severe sepsis. Of particular concern is the final paragraph of one of the results reading: “ There are multifocal areas of acute inflammatory lesions such as within the sections of skin and liver. This suggests a possible endotoxemia. Damage to the superficial epithelium may have permitted a bacterial infection and subsequent endotoxemia.”

Furthermore, the lungs on one animal were filled with proteinaceous fluid. Likewise, various organs and systems had this proteinaceous fluid in them. Cultures run of the lungs and guts revealed three different strains of bacteria in the gut; fluids from the lungs did not culture anything. The animals that still seem to be afflicted are being treated with a round of TriMethaSulfa drugs; the latter was chosen by my veterinarian based on the culture results.

At first, the veterinarian felt that I had overdosed the animals with liquid Vitamin D3. One of the animals had what appeared to be visceral gout in the mouth. Later, it was uncovered that what appeared to be gout was actually a severe bacterial infection. I do want to repeat that the only factor consistent with ALL animals dying was that their cage was lined with Cell-Sorb Plus®. I feel that this product is not satisfactory for use with Gray-banded Kingsnakes and Sonoran Mountain Kingsnakes; in fact, it may cause severe problems such as the ones I experienced in my collection.

I also want to point out that I have heard from several others that have experienced problems with their collections that were similar to mine. In addition, the reptile specialty store where I first saw the product no longer uses Cell-Sorb Plus® in their cages.

Now, I don’t want to say that Cell-Sorb Plus® is selling tainted substrate laden with bacteria. Rather, I think that the animals became severely abraded and stressed. In this situation, bacteria overwhelmed the animal and the snakes eventually died. Cell-Sorb Plus® is too rough to be used with animals such as Gray-banded Kingsnakes and Sonoran Moutain Kingsnakes. The tendency of these animals to burrow into the substrate may cause damage to the superficial epithelium allowing bacteria to invade the animal.

Finally, I did attempt to contact the company manufacturing Cell-Sorb Plus®, once by email and once by telephone. Neither time did anyone but the secretary talk to me. I explained my situation to the secretary and she stated that this was the first time they ever heard of anyone having problems with Cell-Sorb Plus®. I feel the latter is the company by-line for denial BECAUSE I know for a fact that at least two other people have contacted them regarding problems using Cell-Sorb Plus®.

Thanks to all for reading this; any suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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G. Merker

Replies (14)

lbenton Feb 25, 2009 02:27 PM

It is cheap and safe, now if only it was pretty

Lance
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mike17L Feb 25, 2009 02:46 PM

Dang, that sux big time. I do not know what to tell ya. I guess, figure out the value of the animals lost, and compare that to the cost of legal fees and if it is in your favor, seek legal action against the company. I would definitely talk to a lawyer about it. Good luck, let the board know what happens, and if there is anything we can do to help.
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dustyrhoads Feb 25, 2009 05:30 PM

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dustyrhoads Feb 26, 2009 12:17 PM

I was in a hurry earlier, and I was SO impressed to see that you had published to the internet your vet's PME findings. It's so rare that necropsies get done on captive snakes, that it's GOLDEN when someone actually shares the results of one or several.

But I needed to clarify that I am sorry to hear about the loss of so many of your animals. I hope the word spreads on this.

CMSMITH Feb 25, 2009 08:02 PM

Does it feel rough? Take a picture please, Amigo.

BobHansen Feb 25, 2009 08:46 PM

GMerk:

Wow! Thanks very much for sharing this sad story. The case against that material seems overwhelming. I think we have a duty to spread the word to others.

Bob

SierraHerps.com

tricolorbrian Feb 25, 2009 09:07 PM

That's why I still use pine shavings. Never had a snake die from pine shavings. Sorry to hear about that Gerry.

MikeRusso Feb 25, 2009 09:52 PM

WOW.. very sorry for your loss Gerry..

Like Lance, this is just another reason that through the years i have always stuck with plain old newspaper.. I agree that it's not too pretty, but in my opinion it's safe, very easy to keep clean, & cheap too.

Thank you for the heads up, I hope you don't mind if I forward your post along to the members of the Long Island Herp society?

~ Mike Russo

alterna63 Feb 25, 2009 11:59 PM

Aspen or newspaper Gerry! It's the only way to go man! Sorry about your snakes. See you in Texas in June?

Wayne

gmerker Feb 26, 2009 10:18 AM

Thanks to all for your responses. I really appreciate them…..

My goal is not to sue or try and get money back. Instead, I just want people to realize that the product Cell-Sorb Plus® should not be considered as a substrate for use with Gray-banded Kingsnakes or Sonora Mountain Kingsnakes. Anything that will spread this information is totally acceptable with me, so Mike, go ahead and let your the Long Island Herp Society know.

Colin: below is an image of the substrate….it is the substance at the left….followed by paper towels and CareFresh®. The product is similar to Yesterday News®, which is recycled newspaper.

Finally, I want to point out that it is Cell Sorb Plus®, not just Cell Sorb, that I used. Apparently, the company decided to add gypsum to their product. This gypsum may have caused the problems….

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G. Merker

BobHansen Feb 26, 2009 12:01 PM

GMerk:

Gypsum, if broken into small particles and properly treated, is a well known and inexpensive desiccant. It also can generate lots of dust. Not sure if any of that is relevant to what happened in your case, but I doubt that an active drying agent in the substrate is a good idea for these snakes. Thanks again for sharing your experience...I'm sure word will get out.

Bob

stevenxowens792 Feb 26, 2009 10:50 PM

Gerold,

Very sorry to hear about the casualties...Thanks so much for accurately reporting on the cause and treatment. Hope to see you out west this summer.

Best Wishes,

Steven

Coach Feb 27, 2009 08:35 PM

Thanks GM.. Good to know.

orchidspider Mar 23, 2009 08:58 PM

Thanks for your post, and sorry about your animals, but I appreciate your dedication to the hobby. Your ratsnake article in Reptiles years back was really influential when I was just starting out and I have enjoyed your articles since. I use cypress mulch, and have had no problems with it. I do watch my snakes at feeding to make sure that no large pieces get stuck to bloody food, and do feed my babies outside of their enclosures. My snakes seem to enjoy digging in it and its cheap, and with the amount of feces my Bullsnakes produce, I need something easier to clean than newspaper, and I like the look of it.
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