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I got two stargazing animals a few years back.. They are still doing fine.. eatting good.. these still have the strange head movements, other wise they have that strong instinct to be grumpy ole sunkisseds..

At rest and not overly stimulated, you would never know..

Another one of the same animal at rest.. And what exactly is this bit about a duplicate post error? Gawd..

Beautiful animal. Too bad about the stargazing. Would hate to pass that along to the next generation. I have not had to deal with that, but if I did, I would not want to breed any of the siblings either. I might even make sure the parents were never bred together as well. Do we know exactly how this trait is passed?
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Due to intense Mind fog, all thoughts have been grounded."

I got the stargazer pair of females from a gentleman at a show.. he was unsure why some of the animals acted like that.. When I seen them, I knew what exactly was going on..

Am I intending of the breeding one of the stargazers.. the answer is yes, but I am looking to find out whether or not my male is carrying the issue in a simple recessive form.. Am I looking to continue a line of stargazers, no.. I am sure my kings and milks will eat just fine by the time eggs hatch, which is probably not this year .. I understand stargazing can be a simple recessive trait so it should be easy to know whether or not my male is carrying the genetic flaw..

Am I willing to give up possible stargazer carriers? Like I said, probably not unless I can trust someone enough to know they would use it for test breeding purposes to find out if their lines are clear or not..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

It should be noted, that I do have sunkissed animals that are known not to be stargazing carriers before people run off thinking that anything sunkissed I might bred might be potentially be gazers.. From what I understand not a lot of people seem to have adult sized gazers.. In some ways I feel fortunante to have these.. Their messed up genetics is so vauable to myself, as I continue to strive forward with eliminating all possibilities of Gazing in my breeding stock..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

hmmm. Never thought about using a bad trait in a good way. Using it to find other snakes that may have the hidden defect seems like a wise thing if you suspect one, as long as the offspring have no chance to continue the defect in the lines.
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Due to intense Mind fog, all thoughts have been grounded."

And that is the whole reason on why I was looking for and got a pair of these females.. There is no chance that the offspring are going to be used in a continuation of breeding plans.. Unfortunantly, the offsrping are all set for an early empending doom, which is something I don't look forward to doing, but to me ethically it is the best thing to do.. I take great pride in the efforts in what me and the Wife do for a hobby.. I don;t want to be one of the people responsible for passing on inheritably bad genetics..

Regards.. Tim of T and J