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that's a wicked cool snake!!!!!

That's a Parietalis??? I never would of guessed. What would you call that pattern, piebald?

That is definately a unique looking snake. Hard to really tell from the photos but it almost looks scaleless and/or piebald and/or a form of motley/striped, which would be a really rare and remarkable matation, far removed from the wild type? Would be nice to hear some history on this snake, like was in found that way, where was it found, or did you produce it in captivity, was is born that way,ect. because from the photo alone, it's hard to even identify that snake as a red-sided garter snake (not saying it's not), because it is so far removed visually from wild type, again it's just hard to even identify that snake as a red-sided in the photo, and maybe it's just due to photo, maybe in person it is clearly identifiably a red-sided, or maybe you saw it born from a red-sided, ect, so it would be nice to hear more about this very, very interesting snake indeed.
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Jeff Benfer
1.0 cinnamon pastel Python regius
1.1 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.3 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.3 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
2.0 66% het snow Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.2 flame Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 butter p.h. stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 carmel stripe p.h. amel Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 amelanistic p.h. carmel,stripe Pantherophis guttatus

that is not just a unique red-sided, that is the freakiest thing I have ever seen, and its not just kinda cool, it's waaaaaaaaaaaay cool!!! Please tell us more about it and what your plans are with this snake.
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Jeff Benfer
1.0 cinnamon pastel Python regius
1.1 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.3 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.3 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
2.0 66% het snow Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.2 flame Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 butter p.h. stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 carmel stripe p.h. amel Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 amelanistic p.h. carmel,stripe Pantherophis guttatus

come on guys.its a classic white sided morph and nothing more.its not a leucistic,paradox,t-albino,pied,or any other combo.
that is the coolest thing ever this year!!!what a knock out snake of snakes!!!!!!we have been blessed with this post and the thoughts of having one of them some day!thank you
what ever it will be named its now at the top of everones list.
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ball pythons
garter snake morphs easterns/checkereds/floridas/redsides
western hognose
1.1 super kids Memfis Lance and Linda May(co-dom)

Has Scott contacted you?I'm sure he wants that one.White sided is a form of lucy.I like how it still has the vetebral stripe.Awesome snake!

I can see were you guys are coming from calling it "white sided"/ or leucistic, but even for a "white sided" it has some major extra pattern change blochy/striping going on. I think it would be very interesting to see what the iris and pupil colors are, from the pic it looks maybe black?
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Jeff Benfer
1.0 cinnamon pastel Python regius
1.1 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.3 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.3 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
2.0 66% het snow Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.2 flame Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 butter p.h. stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 carmel stripe p.h. amel Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 amelanistic p.h. carmel,stripe Pantherophis guttatus

That is a cool snake, what is the history on it ?

Scott

I emailed him...he said it was one of 4 babies from a red sider a kid found, the other 3 were killed by a cat. the mother was released also. he plans on keeping the snake. I hope he breeds her (or him). the mother was found in Kansas City

A kid that use to work for me found a red sided female in the woods behind their apartment. She ended up having babies. I dont know how many babies she had, but I do know that four of them looked like this one. I assume obviously that the parents were het for this mutation so I would guess that the litter was probably around sixteen. I asked him where the other three like this one were and he said his cat had eaten the other three. I asked him if I could have the last one before his cat killed that one. He said ok. He said that he had released the mom and the normal looking babies back behind their apartment. My friend Rick and I are going to the same locale to collect some females to breed with this one I have which is a male. I plan to collect babies from the area if possible and raise them up so there wont be any sperm retention issues from mature females that may have been bred in the past. This should be a fun project. Thanks for your comments everybody. Mark

Best of luck with your new project, and thanks for sharing the photo, and thank you very much for sharing the additional info, history, story and future plans with us all, hope it pans out for you.
Thanks agian, thats an amazingly unique animal, hope we see more of them from you in the future.
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Jeff Benfer
1.0 cinnamon pastel Python regius
1.1 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.3 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.3 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
2.0 66% het snow Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.2 flame Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 butter p.h. stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 carmel stripe p.h. amel Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 amelanistic p.h. carmel,stripe Pantherophis guttatus

Wow, thats a big differnce to a normal red sided.
Would you like to tell the location, where it was found?
It seems interessting to me what the normals in your area are looking like.
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best wishes
bis bald

Udo
www.zooplan.net

Hey Mark,
Do you think you could post a picture of a close up of this snakes head so we could get a good look at it's eye?
Thanks again
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Jeff Benfer
1.0 cinnamon pastel Python regius
1.1 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.3 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.3 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
2.0 66% het snow Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.2 flame Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 butter p.h. stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 carmel stripe p.h. amel Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 amelanistic p.h. carmel,stripe Pantherophis guttatus

Sounds like a well thought out plan.
Thamfriends

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Regards,
Wayne A. Harvey
Dances With Reptiles
Thamnophis

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0.1.9 Eastern MilkSnake WC "Carmella" adult super sweet temperment (Eggs all hatched!)
1.3.13 Storeria dekayi - Brown Snakes Casper, Xena, Athena, Copper, Sharon & Kids
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0.2.0 Thamnophis ordinoides - Northwestern Gartersnake(Blue Phase)
1.1.0. Thamnophis elegans vagrans Wandering Garter
2.2.0 Thamnophis Sirtalis - Florida Blue stripe Garter
2.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters
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2.0.0 Thamnophis sirtalis - eastern Garters (xtreme orange phase)
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0.1.0 Thamnophis RADIX - Christmas Albino
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis - Red Phase Eastern Garter red and white stripes
0.0.1 Thamnophis butleriButler's Garter Snake
0.0.4 Thamnophis proximus orariusCoastal Ribbons
0.0.7 Thamnophis sirtalis - Eastern Garter babies 7/11/08
0.0.7 Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis HET Anerythristic Scott Felzer stock.
0.1.0 Thamnophis sirtalis Eastern Snow "Snowflake"
0.0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis infernalis California Red Sided (R.I.P. little guy)
1.0.0 Thamnophis pickeringi - Puget Sound Garter "Sky" (adult, Sky blue)
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0.0.1 Amelanistic Corn Snake "CY" Sub-adult CB
1.0.0. Pueblan Milk snake "Oreo" adult CB
1.0.0. ASIAN GREEN SNAKE 3' WC Cyclophiops major"Limon"
0.0.1. Savannah Monitor "CHOMPER" Getting Huge!
1.1.3. Green Anole "Crystal" & "Chris"
0.1.0 Oscar (Astronotus ocellatus) - "Peach" (A Monitor with fins)
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0.2.0. Feline"Felix"(R.I.P. 4/27/08) "Kaja" & "Silver"
2.1.0. calico RATS
??.??.?? Mice - Feeder farm - Crickets / fish / Giant roaches
More herps than I could ever list out back on the land.

Oh wow.
I'm a little amazed at that.
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Mike
KingPin Reptiles
www.kingpinreptiles.com