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Sorry to do this, but I'm still uncertain of some retic genetics.
What is produced from breeding an amel to a tiger het lav albino?
Thanks!!!

it should be 50% normals/50% tigers. all het for amel albino, and 33% het for clark strain albino, which can produce either white, lavender or purple phase (so 33% will be double het for each form of alibinism). the 33% may actually be 50%
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retic is king of kings

1.0 Tiger Retic
1.0 Albino Tiger Retic
0.1 Striped Tiger Retic (het albino)
0.1 Salmon Boa
1.0 Albino Boa
0.1 False Water Cobra

half the clutch will be tiger's 100% het amel and 50% het clark strain albinos.
The other half will be normals 100% het amel and 50% het clark strain albinos.
Every baby will be Het amel due to the one parent being an actual amel animal.
And all the babies will be 50% het clark strain. You won't know which ones are actual hets for clark strain until the animals are bred.

I just found out that the amel is a tiger too, but I already understand dominant genetics so I'm good on that subject. But I still dont get these clark strain of albinos, it seems like some kind of recessive gene with a twist. Can someone explain or direct me to a good link?
Thanks again

I thought that the different albino lines cant be breed with each other or is it different with the hets??

You can breed Amel's and Clark strain albino's together you just end up with double het and single het for either trait animals.

So if you breed two clark strains together you can possibly get lavender, purples and whites?

yes, breeding two clark strains will give any combination of the whites, lavenders, and/or purple. so, if you breed two white phases together, you can get any of the three phases. the purple phases are usually easier to produce if you have at least one of the parents a true purple. but you can get purple phases with any combo of clark strain parents. but the whites and lavenders are more common and prevelent
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retic is king of kings

1.0 Tiger Retic
1.0 Albino Tiger Retic
0.1 Striped Tiger Retic (het albino)
0.1 Salmon Boa
1.0 Albino Boa
0.1 False Water Cobra

Thanks for the info, these are some interesting genetics.
Will I still produce the 3 phases if I would breed a visual lavender to a visual purple phase? And what about a het lav to a het purple? (besides my percentage of visuals dropping of course)

as long as the clark phase albino gene is present, either in the homozygous form and/or the heterozygous form of both parents you can get either white, lavender, or purple phase or any two out of the three or all of the three. but a white to a white, a white to a lavender, or a lavender to a lavender does not guarantee you any purples. the only way to know you are going to get purples for sure, is a true purple bred to a true purple
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retic is king of kings

1.0 Tiger Retic
1.0 Albino Tiger Retic
0.1 Striped Tiger Retic (het albino)
0.1 Salmon Boa
1.0 Albino Boa
0.1 False Water Cobra

and there is no het white, het lavender or het purple. when they are hets, they are just het for clark strain albino, that can produce any of the three phases. for instance if you bred a purple to a het, you run a chance of producing no purples, some purples or all purples, because the clark albino gene can produce any combo of the three, again unless a purple is bred to a purple which, to the best of my knowing, is guaranteed purples in the clutch
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retic is king of kings

1.0 Tiger Retic
1.0 Albino Tiger Retic
0.1 Striped Tiger Retic (het albino)
0.1 Salmon Boa
1.0 Albino Boa
0.1 False Water Cobra

thanks for the clarification, i can never remember (as long as ive been doing this) what percentage a het to a normal presents, 33 or 50, obviously 50. the clark strain produces any one, two or all three phases (white, lavender, and purple) of albinos. the amel, is a different type of albino that is not compatible with the clark strain (again which is what produces the purples and lavenders). there is also bob clarks caramel albinos, which from what i understand is compatible to a certain extent with the orginal clark strain, but not the amel strain. am i correct on that?
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retic is king of kings

1.0 Tiger Retic
1.0 Albino Tiger Retic
0.1 Striped Tiger Retic (het albino)
0.1 Salmon Boa
1.0 Albino Boa
0.1 False Water Cobra

No the blonde (bob's line of caramel's)strain is not compatible with the clark strain albinos. They are two different genetic mutations.

i thought that, but i have heard very recently that it is possible that the caramel and clark has some compatibility. from what i have heard over the last couple weeks is that due to both strains present some shade of purple, that there might be another albino mutation to come about. do i believe that, not too much right now, but how cool would that be, if they found them to be compatible in some way or percentage
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retic is king of kings

1.0 Tiger Retic
1.0 Albino Tiger Retic
0.1 Striped Tiger Retic (het albino)
0.1 Salmon Boa
1.0 Albino Boa
0.1 False Water Cobra

Highly doubt it.

Due to the risk of un-identifiable white phase albinos being produced from the 2nd generation of this breeding, I would strongly advise against the cross. You will potentially be opening up a large potential problem for other breeders down the road by doing so. This is of course an opinion, but one which has considered all of the possible benefits and draw backs from the breeding.

Thank you,
Jordan
PrehistoricPets.com

absolutely agree. i would never cross contaminate albino genes. i had just heard (or read) that they have a certain percentage of compatibility
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retic is king of kings

1.0 Tiger Retic
1.0 Albino Tiger Retic
0.1 Striped Tiger Retic (het albino)
0.1 Salmon Boa
1.0 Albino Boa
0.1 False Water Cobra

what is the % of albinos would u get if u breed a albino with a 100% het?

and if u breed 2 100% hets together?

and if you breed a tiger albino with just a supertiger no het will u get any albinos or will they all be just hets??

Thanks just getting in to breeding and got a few more retics to add to my collection so any info would help

Keep herpin

MH,

what is the % of albinos would u get if u breed a albino with a 100% het?

Keep in mind that all % bases are estimated probability for EACH egg. When you breed a recessive trait (such as albino) with one parent (of either sex) being a homozygous )in this case a visual albino) with the other parent (of either sex) being heterozygous (visually aka phenotypically normal, yet has one allele with a mutant albino allele) each offspring has a 50% probability of being homozygous albino and a 50% chance of being heterozygous albino.

and if u breed 2 100% hets together?

Same as before except each egg (baby) has a 25% chance of being homozygous (albino) a 50% chance of being heterozygous, and a 25% chance of being normal. Since you can reduce the visually albino animals from the equation you can base your statistics off of the animals in question. This gives each non-albino offsring a probability of 66.6667% for being heterozygous and 33.333% probability of being genotypically normal.

and if you breed a tiger albino with just a supertiger no het will u get any albinos or will they all be just hets??

When you breed a recessive trait BOTH parents MUST have at least one of their two alleles mutated. For non-x-linked chromosomes you must get one chromosome from each parent... with dominant and incomplete dominant traits (like the tiger gene for instance) you would only require one chromosome for the mutation to be visual, thus the tiger which is the heterozygous phenotype (and genotype) of the Super Tiger trait which is the homozygous form. So since you have a visual albino it has BOTH chromosomes affected, and no matter which of those two it gives to its offspring ALL of the offspring will have one albino affected chromosome from that parent, making ALL of the offspring heterozygous for albino. For the tiger X super tiger crossing it works just like a het albino x albino. Each offspring will have a 50% chance of being a super tiger and a 50% chance of being a tiger. ALL of those will be 100% heterozygous for albino.

Hopefully that clears it up for you.

Take care,
Jordan
Prehistoric Pets

Thanks Jordan your da man!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the info! I definitely don't want any snake where I'm unsure of their genetics. I don't even like to do het to het breedings.

Time to look for a tiger het amel male and a purple tiger female. Retics are freakin sweet.