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OK....first let me say sorry if this has been covered before...but i have been out of the action for 3 years. PLease help me out with the following questions.

1) Does Butter X Mojave produce a Blue eyed Lucy...just like the Lesser X Mojave? Is it just as white?

2) Is Butter X Butter also kicking Blue eyed Lucys? I would assume not super Butters?

3) In other words....is the Butter and the Lessers on the open market pretty much the same animals with a few exceptions.

4) Is it only Ralphs line that carriers the Super Platty gene...do all Lesser have that potential?

Thanks in advance for your help...

Jim
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Jim Perron
Python Passion Reptiles
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www.pythonpassionreptiles.com

Jim sent you an email

Which e-mail?

could you send it to python_passion@hotmail.com

Thanks,

Jim
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Jim Perron
Python Passion Reptiles
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www.pythonpassionreptiles.com

I still need help on these questions...Thanks,

Jim
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Jim Perron
Python Passion Reptiles
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www.pythonpassionreptiles.com

"1) Does Butter X Mojave produce a Blue eyed Lucy...just like the Lesser X Mojave? Is it just as white?"

I believe that is accurate but I’m far from having done it myself.

"2) Is Butter X Butter also kicking Blue eyed Lucys? I would assume not super Butters?"

Again, I've not done this cross (and don't yet own butter or lesser) but I've seen at least one picture of a homozygous Butter and it was a nice blue eyed leucistic. The definition of "super" is a bit vague but some use it in place of "homozygous" so they might call that BEL a "super butter".

"3) In other words....is the Butter and the Lessers on the open market pretty much the same animals with a few exceptions."

This one I'm for sure not qualified to answer (probably not on the first two either). I'm not sure even those who have both lessers and butters are unanimous as to if they are different or the same mutations.

"4) Is it only Ralphs line that carriers the Super Platty gene...do all Lesser have that potential?"

It's looking like lesser and the mutation that combines with it to make a platy (not sure on the official name, might be "hidden" or "platy sib" are alleles - different mutations of the same gene. If this is the case then no lesser could carry the extra genetics to produce a platy or else it would already be a platy. In this scenario, all lessers are half of a platy but the trick is that you need another animal with the other half (either a platy or a hidden which looks pretty much normal from all reports so far). The hidden mutation can not come from a lesser X normal but only from a hidden or platy parent.

Thanks....good info.....does anyone have additional info with Butter to Lesser comparisons?

Jim
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Jim Perron
Python Passion Reptiles
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www.pythonpassionreptiles.com

It is really about the animal you are working with. My Butter breeder male makes stunning combos and Butters. A third or more are BETTER than he -- and he is pretty fantastic. Brad Boa and Brock Wagner have great Butter stock. I am surely leaving some folks out.

Matt Lerer/Ghi Reptiles -- first to come to mind- has a group of Lessers and combos that I would assume are related to one foundation male/female. His stuff is AWESOME!!!

Point being, there are superior of EACH morph available. There are also some that are not that great in my opinion. I'll bet they most likely came from an animal that was similar in kind/degree. Selective breeding shows up in all morphs for sure. Pretty will consistently make pretty...
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Bill Buchman

Hi Jim,
I'm afraid I can't add much more than what has been said already, but just wanted to say, "Welcome Back!". You'll find a lot of new morphs and combos that have come out in the past few years--still totally awesome and fun!

Keep in touch!
Maki

I have a super butter (butter X butter) that is a blue eyed lucy. See pic below. He is one of the whitest BELs I've ever seen. He proved himself last year as a super.

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Alice Cobb
Florida Reptile Room