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I am asking you as you seem to be in tune with what is going on with mole kings the most. Specifically these high red Prarie kings we see today.

Do you think any mole kings were bred to Praries to create the high red amel Praries? Most amel Praries i have seen are lemon yellow or yellow/light coloured albinos.

Mark, do you see any mole king influence in the high red albino praries ? There is a thread just below this one were one is pictured.

A while Back Vavarium magazine came out with an issue featuring Starburst Prarie kings as a new morph. there was an article on Starburst Prarie kings which look like the high red amels we see today as Prarie kings. I was in the know and discovered these "Startbursts" were a result of breeding a lemon yellow amel Prarie to a Mole king to create the strawberry red colors. Are these strawberry red Praries we see now remanants from those Startburst Prarie kings or another trait of amelanistic altogether??

In other words are these two different traits of amelanism in Prarie kings or are the red amels hybridized with Mole kings?
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To be honest, I don't know.
I do know that the amel prairies I produced in the past that were nice and red had no mole king at all in them. The blotches were reddish/orange and slowly faded a bit, but the color never really encroached into the ground color (if that makes sense).
These others you're talking about, well...there obviously could be influence from other ssp./strains in there. I just don't know.
Sorry.
There are others here I bet who know much more..
Have you asked the "source"?
I was actually looking for another prairie male for my female since my old fella died last year...but haven't replaced him and I wouldn't cross the ssp. even though I have lots of male rhombomaculatta to use.
I think the prairies are cool enough with the morphs that occur.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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A friend of mine had some amel prairies years ago and they never lost the orange red blotching. They were from Applegate as much stock was in those days.
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson

Yeah many were from Bob I guess.
WC albinos pop regularly it seems.
I bought a normal pair many years ago and bred them every year and finally they started to produce albinos after about 4 years of breeding them. After that it seems I got about 1/2 albinos in each clutch.
As far as prairie vs. mole, I still count scales when I'm in doubt.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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I think most who breed moles are purists, locale type. Most wont even cross locales nevermind ssp.. And the babies are such a pain in the butt....I sincerely doubt anyone would go through 2 generations of "intergrades" to produce a more red albino....and I am sure there would be ALOT more variation than we see in them.

Actually this already happened. In either the Vavarium or Reptiles issue there was an article of the Starburst prarie kings. They are albinos and had the red like I see today. The originators of this "morph' confessed to everyone they are a result of a mole king bred to a albino Prarie. Matter of fact i purchased some and raised them up. I am looking at some old photos I just dug up but have no way to scan them unless I take them to Walmart. I loaned those snakes to Steven Fowler to breed to his mole kings but I never got any back from him including my loaner.
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I found the Vivarium issue . The first person to produce the Mole x Prarie was Jack Dyer. He produced quite a bit and like I said I purchased some back then from him. i guess a lot of folks bred them back to the yellow albino pure calligaster. I know that Steven Fowler was trying to breed them into his collection of mole kings. I am guessing that is were the red comes from when people post red albino Prarie kings..(?)
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...didn't he lose a lot of people's animals?
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Diego

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didn't he lose a lot of people's animals?

I heard that from the grapevine but he never called me to explain anything. Gave him a nice adult female that was short and fat. Stunning snake. I try and get by Wally world to download some old pics on disk.
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He lives here and that's the story around town, but I've never heard it from any of the folks that actually lost their animals. Damn shame.

I'd love to see the pics whenever you have a chance to put 'em up!
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Diego

SWCHR