Reptile & Amphibian Forums

so me and a friend are going to get into these awesome snakes! we are looking into breeding a pied and albino together! though we cant find were this has been done with good animals being produced? does any one know what these will produce and what it will look like? better yet has anyone done this and have pics!?
thanks
jake
-----
1.1 v. griseus

If you breed a pied to an albino you'll get double het snakes -- they look normal but carry both the pied and the albino gene -- if you breed those double hets together you'd get a pied albino - if you do a search either here or google you should find some pictures.

Good luck!
-----
Tosha
JET Pythons
Toshas Blog

so would it be better to buy hets?
jake
-----
1.1 v. griseus

It would be more expensive to buy hets, but you will save yourself about 2-4 years if you buy the DHts.

thats not exactly correct. there is no guarantee you would get a double morph from breeding the pair of double hets. i believe it's a 1 in 16 chance(on paper) of getting the double morph. average ball python clutch is what, 7-12 eggs.

Dave

I suggest researching the care and housing of ball pythons first before buying morphs. Though albinos are coming down in price, pieds are still a few thousand (unless their prices have really changed in the last year or so).

As both morphs are recessive, you will need to breed the offspring together to get both morphs showing in the offspring. NERD has great articles on genetics and how recessive traits work and double recessive odds.

If your goal is to have albino-pied snakes in the first generation of breeding, then you will need to look for either double het for albino and piebald, or piebald het albino or albino het piebald. Finding these may be tricky. The kingsnake classifieds will be good place to start looking, also breeder sites like NERD, Ralph Davies, etc. (see forum sponsor banners).

IN the end you will still be looking at 3-6 years before producing albino/pieds snakes. If you buy pied and albino babies, you have to grow them up for 2-3 years to get them to size/age for breeding. Then take the double het offspring and breed them to eachother, need to grow them up for 2-3 years again.

Pied albinos have been produced before and do look interesting.
-----
PHLdyPayne

Tom Carlton at Cypress Creek Reptiles has produced albino pieds. He had the female listed in the classifieds recently, she is gorgeous. I believe she was listed at $15,000. Anyways, check out the cypress creek reptiles website and you can find pictures of Albino Pieds.
-----
Ball Pythons:
1.2 Normal
1.2 Pastel
0.1 Black Pastel
2.0 Het Orange Ghost
0.1 Orange Ghost
1.1 Mojave
1.2 Spider
1.1 Albino
0.1 Het Albino
1.0 Piebald
0.1 Double het, Albino Pied
Other:
0.1 Irian Jaya x Jungle Carpet python
1.0 Jungle Carpet Python
1.0 Tiger Retic
1.1 Burmese Pythons
1.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boas
3.3 Corn Snakes
0.0.1 American Alligator
1.0 Savannah Monitor
0.0.1 Argus Monitor
1.0 Chinese Water Dragon
0.1 Brown Basilisk
1.2 Crested Gecko
0.1 Sulcata Tortoise
1.1 Sugar Gliders
1.1 Puppies

dang! how many people buy one that expensive?? thats like a new car!! lol
-----
1.1 v. griseus

you could try breeding a pastel to a pied or amel and see what you get out of it

Rousis has also bread albino pieds, not sure who did it first.
-----
PHLdyPayne