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Might just send this young man to you... I'll get in touch bro. I'm thinking an outcrossed het is a much better idea...

As a general rule which do you prefer? Morphs or non-morphs?

I really find that with many things in life it's always some of both. But I'm actually curious to see where some of you stand on this here.

I like a clean traditonal looking animal over a pasty looking, pink eyed, albino any day.
Don't get me wrong, I see morphs I like all the time, but 90% of the time I think a good traditonal look is what I like.

-Dell

Cherry co. NE

most people in this forum will prefer the normal colorings of milks over amels.....even normal corns are better at times...lots of times....LOL......

.......we all agree with that one I bet...

as for which do better....morphs CAN and do have problems....but as you said not always.... outcrossing helps with new wild blood...and not inbreeding the same line over and over to itself....

reminds me of the spider ball I bought...thinking well...at least it isn't related to....hey...wait...it came from a big girl I sold the guy and ...wow...it's related to half my other balls....man...that didn't work.....really....but the lines are both so good it worked.......so ask and remember where you got what....you never know when you are just buying back your same line...

....(by the way....they don't want that snake...I'll email you my adress....)?.................I know....
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..J Yohe ....

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I'm personally torn on the subject. I'm a localtiy dude, through and through, and I tend to think it's hard to improve on the natural look of a tricolor (or bi-color... LOL). On the other hand, it's impossible (for a snake dude) to ignore the flash, pizaz, and in-your-face beauty of a hypo. honduran or a high yellow amel. nelsoni, for example. So, while my collection has focused (strongly) on the natural variants of the tringulum species, I've got (and LOVE) a number of screaming morphs, too.

-Cole

Pennington Co. (Black Hills), SD

and locale to boot! Nice!
-Phil
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Work is the curse of
the drinking class!

I have been torn on this one for 20 years now. I love them both but if you can have both in one thats the total nirvana to me.I love locale morphs.

L8r Shannon

Shannon,

Is that one of your breeders? Man, those are cool. Are they from the Amaelco line?

-Cole

Weld Co., CO

Thanks, She will be breeding first time next month.And no, its from the Tapaplpa jalisco line.

L8r

Excuse my ignorance here but before I tell you that I dislike albino snakes I want to know how you all define morph.Those snakes Cole and Shannon posted here are very cool looking aberrent pattern snakes.Those aren't morphs are they ?

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"Wake me when its April"

Doug L

A morph is usually something that is re-produsable.Many are just pattern morphs that still hold there normal colors but some are color morphs such as albino,anery,hypo etc....

L8r

Good question, "what is a morph?"
To transform or be transformed.

I think for the hobbiest this "transformation" means any trait that is not from the standared trait we are used to seeing. And I think Shannon is right, a morph should be reproducible to be called a true morph. Anything else I'd call an anomaly.

Shannons patternless celaenops (? it is a celaenops, right?), if he could reproduce it, would be a morph. Coles spotted multistrata I'd call an anomaly, because he hasn't been able to reproduce it w/ any regularity.

This is just my opinon, and I'm not trying to force a mouse tail down anyones throat. I'd love to hear a different prospective, if someone has one.

-Dell

I think it all depends on the snake. Personally I think the Blonde and Sliver Trans Pecos blow a normal away. Also a wild type heavily tipped Honduran doesnt compare to a nice clean hypo.
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"The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think. Oh by the way, which ones pink?"

Depends. I think my favorite forms are nice clean captive breds derived from wild types. I like hypos a lot but am generally not crazy about albino milks, though the new albino eastern and Mexican milks are both pretty cool forms. Tend to not like pattern morphs simply because they are generally not consistent, half striped or spotted is just a pattern anomaly to me!
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson

Tony to me a "striped" animal is supposed to have a stripe..ya know? I like the stripe or pattern to be clean and crisp w/good contrast.
and those "splotched" sinaloans....I just can't seem to wrap my head around those either...they just look all goofed up to me. Now if there were a nice clean stripe, that'd be different, maybe
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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BOTH!

I think it would be great to have both if you have the room.

I want them all...but no cages to do so...oh well!

For example...I think it would be great to have a triple homo male Hondo (A male Ghost Het Amel wouldn’t hurt either)...and group of females to pair them up with:

A Dirty Triple Het
Hypo Het Snow
Ghost Het Amel
Hybino Het Anery
Falcon Extreme (het anything would be bonus)
and a Mega (or whatever you care to call it).

This group would totally satisfy my genetic need... and you would have an example of pretty much every Hondo morph out there...then I could look at the other "normal" stuff.

The normals would be nice for a pet/display...but I wouldn’t have much interest in breeding them.

I really prefer the genetic surprises when breeding morphs, but that’s only because of my past experience breeding Cal Kings and AZ Kings...hatching stuff that looks just a little different from the parents, really doesn’t do it for me anymore...

-Rusty

OK here is my take on "morphs"
Why would anyone want to remove the black or the red from a snake?Thats why snakes look cool

One more thing while Im ranting.Can these people that make up the names for morphs please stop the childish candy sweet food names?Its enough to make ya sick. lol
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"Wake me when its April"

Doug L

>>As a general rule which do you prefer? Morphs or non-morphs?
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>>I really find that with many things in life it's always some of both. But I'm actually curious to see where some of you stand on this here.
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For me it depends on the species of snake. Hondos I like a nice clean Hypo Tri color. But in a BRB (Brazilian Rainbows) I like the look of a normal. While a albino carpet python looks wild. A coral Boa looks amazing and nice clean okatee is killer. I have a favorite in each species.
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Jason A.
"Long time Herper, first year Breeder `07."
My 2008 Care Sheet & The BRB Stats. Username: brb@kingsnake.com

100% natural, morphs only as they occur in the field. I'm not against the albino splotched tetrataenia x rhombomaculata x guttata - to each his own, and you need something to help you appreciate the original.

Dude....tired...whooped...cougar...drained.....literally..LOL

I was thinking of something along those lines. I would like to have strengthened lines. We seen what they do when not outcrossed any. Never spend that flow again!

I saw the post with my name and everything posted underneath and I was like uh oh WTF did I do now!

So these two females are for him.

So this guy is going to be lonesome this year

I mean why make all those pure hypo calverts anyway. I'd much rather have some stronger pos hets and hypos. It's not like anyone else around here would like a batch of little obnoxious tail pushing terds anyway.

Before I forget, this guy just shed and is cruising his cage day and night. Too bad he will be lonely for a couple years.

A little off topic here but these two are friends!

Whats the pedegree on those first two females and are they going to Chris, I mean Mr. Coastal?
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson

They are siblings to the male hypo calvert produced from a het to het breeding. The guy didn't even know he had hets. I believe mr. temporalis is going to be riding the bench on this one. You never know, if things get hectic a box may show up at his house.

Cool. Wouldn't have pegged either as a Calvert. All my original Calvert stock had a light grey ground color and dark maroon blotches but "all my original Calvert stock" was only three animals. I'll try to get some pics up here shortly.
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson

didn't look Calvert to me either....
would have said St Mary's....
the first has Calvert pattern and spacing more but the color IS better...as said..not grey-ish....?....

sweet snakes.....
reminds me I still need Calverts'.....hmmm....have to check my local guy and see if they bred yet...

....(I need a differnt St Mary's too...darn girl I got has orange tint to the white...and I want white..!!!...really...
love the red white and black combo...the orange tint is left for the OC NJ stripeds....!)....

........nice stuff all..........Thanxx....
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..J Yohe ....

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After all these years the variability of coastal, even within a locality, continues to surprise see.
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson

Yeah man if it gets to be too rough for ya... you may wanna take stock and re-evaluate your age... LOL. I mean a cougar is tough but come on man... not that tough!

I'll have to talk more in length about St. Mary's girl... unless you're just trying to light some fires. Man come on FL is pretty dry right now. Lol...

Dry? Not where I'm at. When I can get away fom the cougar I hit up the beach (since it's like 80) with a knee brace, beer in one hand and a puppy in the other. That works as some awsome bait (spring break).

When the all of them get to demanding I have to get help from the power of V, ssshhh. Don't let anyone know my money making secret!

That other lone male is actually the mister T that came with the two little ones for him to pilfer in years to cum.

And by the way this cougar is way more surprising than you would think. I should have listened to my urologist a long time ago. He said go for them in the mid 30s because their drive will match up with yours. I guess I didn't because he freaked me out a bit. When he told me this he had my boys cupped in his hands. I've never been the same.

this girl is a little older now and wants to come home with you...


:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

I'll give you a call here soon man...

I've been bogged down by incessant work these days. Any news on that other lil' female?

Chris