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I bought a pair of beardies from a reputable breeder. One is a leatherback hypo het trans the other a trans leatherback het hypo. I haven't worked with trans in a while and never leatherbacks but the first thing I noticed when they came in a month ago when they were two weeks old was that what I believed was that the supposed trans had normal eyes. I asked the breeder why they weren't black but he assured me that they would change once she got older. Well it's a month later and still normal eyes and never did she really have that translucent look about her. The thing that bothers me is that I spoke with someone tonight that bought from the same breeder and I believe same clutch and his trans leather has perfect black eyes and it's the same age as mine and he said his were always black. So what gives. I don't want to be a pain in the butt to the breeder and keep questioning him so I need the advice of the people here as to what you all think. Also with the pic of the two the trans is on the right. Thanks to all who reply.

Im not a person to really talk to about it but from my understanding they start off with normal eyes and then they do turn. Im not sure how fast that is but I also have read that some do not have eye changes. As I said i really do not know and im trying to remember something i read about them. Im sure someone will come on tomorrow and help you out. They loook very nice anyways.
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Some are born with normal eyes and they change black while others stay normal their whole lives. But most trans are born with black eyes and they stay black.

The dragon could go either way. It's hard to tell with trans what they will eventually look like as adults. I'm willing to bet your little guy is a het hypo. Do you know what the cross is? Trans that are het for hypo and hypotrans tend to have normal eyes as babies. These are the most difficult to predict because you have two genes that are complete opposites playing tug-of-war. You could end up with a partial trans dragon with normal eyes, a super trans(no white) with dark eyes, super trans with normal eyes, partial trans with dark eyes, or something that is completely off the wall. That purple and orange hypotrans that I posted a while back was a colorless, normal eyed, partial trans baby. Josh

Duh...I should have read your post more closely. He is a het hypo. Josh

Thanks Josh, and to the others that replied. That does make more sence. I wish it had been explained beforehand. For the money that was put out I would have been hesitant to get a non black eyed trans. It seems that it could go either way if she will develop black eyes and I would have liked to made the choice on getting that. Especially when others in the clutch had black eyes. Josh you will have to let me know when you get your trans leathers available.

Well im sure you really don't want to give back the dragon for a trade but if the guy made it clear that you were getting a black eyed dragon and that was the deal maker/breaker you may want to inform him and set up a time frame for the beardie to gain black eyes or not and then work out a return plan or maybe part of your money back. If you are into breeding hopefully you will later see some black eyed beardies. Very nice beardie non the less
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Well that's the problem is that I don't believe I specificaly asked if the one I would be getting would have black eyes. I assumed all true trans had black eyes, all the ones I had aquired before and the ones I have hatched on my own had black eyes from hatching. This breeder seems confident that they will change in time, but If I was breeding them I would have informed the buyer beforehand the situation or held onto the animal until it changed. That way you don't have the gamble to the buyer of it only being partial trans but selling at the full leatherback translucent price. Maybe I am being overly sensitive, this along with some other things just didn't thrill me in this deal with a breeder that it seems everyone in the world just loves to death.

If he says they will change get him to give you a deadline and then let him know if they do not you would like to return the animal. Im sure that would be cheaper for him than you telling everyone on a bunch of websites how bad your purchase went with him.
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Your right, and I will do that. I just didn't know if I was even being crazy questioning this before I questioned him further, that's the only reason I brought it here for advice, not to make anybody look bad. Like I said everyone else seems to have great experiences with this breeder and I don't want to drag his name through the mud as I seem to be the exception not the rule thanks for everyones help.

Hope it works out!
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I never “guaranteed” that your dragon would develop black eyes. I have never guaranteed to anyone ever that their translucent would get black eyes. You misunderstood. However, I do guarantee my high end dragons. If your translucent doesn’t develop black eyes I am more that happy to get you a refund. You were a pleasure to work with on the phone and I know you have an outstanding reputation.

Steven Barnes
www.bloodbankdragons.com

Hey Steven,

Please no insult to be taken on your part. I did state in my earlier thread that I didn't specificaly ask you if she had black eyes( I guess that was an assumption on my part). But in truth I have never seen anyones pics babies or adults that don't have black eyes. I have had trans in the past and hatched a clutch myself and every one of them had black eyes, plus I speak with another person who got your leatherback trans and his has black eyes so I am sure you can see where I am coming from. Now if you had said that since it's het for hypo and the the genes are fighting it out then I could understand that and maybe she will get black eyes, I will have to wait and see. Maybe I am being a whiny buyer, just after dropping a ransom on them I guess I expected what I expected but I do love the beardies, I have grown quite attached and they have tripled their size so doubt I will be returning them. I guess what it boils down to is peoples opinions and I think a trans with normal eyes is a partial trans in my book.

I think the problem is if you go to your website you really push the black eyes on the hypo translucent beardies. You even say, "Hypo Translucent dragons have clear scales and nails with solid black eyes. Giving them the apparence of an alien like dragon. I fell in love with this morph instantly. They are simply amazing and highly desirable." Now looking he bought hypo het trans beardies which i guess he didn't get the understanding of what that means but then on your pictures you say, "trans usally get solid black eyes and you show a normal beardie eye and then say trans eye which is solid black. On top of that normal eye you only show one beardie on your whole web page having normal eyes. I would say it would be easy to feel like every dragon you sell would have solid black eyes due to the way you have your website set up. Of course I have no idea how you conversations went and it sounds like you are eager to please and fix any problems someone has even on your website you seem to have that feel.
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Do not attribute any action to malice that can be explained by stupidity.

I'm not talking about my leatherback hypo het trans also in the one pic not having black eyes, I know he is not supposed to have black eyes because he is just a het. I bought him and the female, the female is a leatherback translucent het for hypo. She is supposed to be pure translucent, she is the one in all the pics that I am wondering why the no black eyes. Steven is right that he never guaranteed her eyes would turn black but then he never said in any conversation that her eyes were normal at this time either and I assumed all Trans had black eyes. Misunderstanding all around I guess. Oh well live and learn

Thanks
Kendra McWilliams

hi
i buy vew years ago a translucant from duncan .
it not got black eyes it whas i think 3,4 weeks old.
later after 4,5 weeks i looked again and saw eye complety black .
it can change its posibal.
even if they not show it ,you wil know if you breed with it .
nice beardies btw
byeeeee
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