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Celebrating the first day O' Spring:

Third Eye

>>Celebrating the first day O' Spring:
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>>Third Eye

congrats Tim
Good luck with your season!
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Tim, congrats. That is a great way to start spring. You are going to have some amazing vanishing patterns out of those two!
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Due to intense Mind fog, all thoughts have been grounded."

Seeing all of these pics of corns locking up has me really chomping at the bit!!!!

I'm going to wait a bit before I put mine together this year though. I've got a big field herping trip to the Seatle area coming up and I really don't want to have snakes laying eggs while I'm gone so I'm timing my breeding around that.

You've got some very fine snakes there and hopefully you have a great season! Best of luck.

Very nice Tim, if you don't mind sharing, what exactly are the genotypes of those two snakes? I know vanishing stripe was mentioned, but my interpretation is; that is more a selective breeding of a low pattern stripe, could you specify or correct me if need be? and are there other genes involved in those two snakes pictured i.e. anery, snow, ???
Please and thank you
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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com
1.0 cinnamon pastel Python regius
1.1 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.3 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.3 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
2.0 66% het snow Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.2 flame Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 butter p.h. stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 carmel stripe p.h. amel Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 amelanistic p.h. carmel,stripe Pantherophis guttatus

They're just like you said, Jeff - low-patterned stripes selectively bred to hopefully eventually create patternless corns. They're both ghosts and likely the male is a multi-het, but I'm pretty sure the female's only color trait is ghost. Last year only two babies hatched (it was the first year I did the paring) and both had motley patterns.

Tim

Third Eye

OK that all make sense when I look back at the original photo and the eye color, thanks much the clarification of my "dumb" questions Do you find that the males are always lighter and less patterned and better represent what you are trying to achieve patternless, especially with ghosts? And do you think that multi-hets also helps or has a positive effect towards achieving patternless? Sorry for 2 more dump questions, then I will shut up....maybe Please and thanks again
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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com
1.0 cinnamon pastel Python regius
1.1 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.3 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.3 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
2.0 66% het snow Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.2 flame Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 butter p.h. stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 carmel stripe p.h. amel Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 amelanistic p.h. carmel,stripe Pantherophis guttatus

Jeff,

Ask as many questions as you like - the whole point of this forum is the sharing of information.

"Do you find that the males are always lighter and less patterned and better represent what you are trying to achieve patternless, especially with ghosts?"

There are very few "vanishing pattern" corns, so it's hard to tell. I'd tend to think that vanishing pattern is "equal opportunity" and not more dominant in one gender or the other.

"And do you think that multi-hets also helps or has a positive effect towards achieving patternless?"

A pretty large number of captive bred corns are het for at least one trait. I don't think being a multi-het makes any difference in the degree of patternlessness. It could come in handy when trying to make other morphs (besides ghost), in that they'd be more genetic material to work with. If someone had a patternless normal that was het for hypo and anery, when bred to a patternless ghost, patternless hypos and anerys could be created.

Tim

Vanishing pattern snow:

Third Eye

Thanks Tim,
Well I was just wondering because I thought i read in the Cornsnake Morph Guide that male ghosts are lighter colored than females, and some of my muti-hets have a faded color and pattern, so thought that might have a positive effect for the patternless. That vanishing pattern snow is a gorgeous specimen!!!
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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com
1.0 cinnamon pastel Python regius
1.1 pastel Python regius
1.1 mojave Python regius
0.3 normal Python regius
1.3 Terrapene carolina thriunguis
2.3 Terrapene carolina carolina
4.1 Kinosternon baurii
1.1 Malaclemys terrapin terrapin
2.2 double het albino and anerythristicThamnophis sirtalis parietalis
1.0 anerythristic Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis
2.3 Iowa snow Thamnophis radix
0.2 het Christmas albino Thamnophis radix
1.1 double het cherry erythristic, albino Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 melanistic Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
2.0 66% het snow Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.2 flame Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis
1.1 triple heterozygous for amelanistic,carmel, and stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 anerythristic motley Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 butter p.h. stripe Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 carmel stripe p.h. amel Pantherophis guttatus
0.1 amelanistic p.h. carmel,stripe Pantherophis guttatus

Congrats Tim hope you have a great season
Tom

Very nice looking ghost stripes. Here is my male, Tundra, pictures taken last month at a year and a half, and at 5 months. He is nowhere near to your male as far as vanishing pattern, but he has much less pattern than my six month old hypo stripe female. Her stripe continues all the way to her tail.

Tundra has been searching for a mate since January, when I warmed him up and fed him. Unfortunately he is the only cornsnake of breeding size that I have currently.

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Kent