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I like the look of the hypo Florida intergrade with the Eastern Kingsnake. Does the hypo "i think its a gene" gene express itself in each hatchling or just in a few of the babies?

Thanks,
Miller
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1.1 Florida King
1.1 Eastern Kings
1.1 Black Milksnake
1.2 Kankakee Bull Snakes
2.2 Still Water Hypos
1.1 Possibly stillwater x Red Bull
2.2 N. Pinesnake
0.1 Tangerine Honduran
0.0.1 Black Ratsnake
1.0 Chow Chow (2003 Papi)
0.1 Cats (Shug)

First get a eastern and hypo to produce normal looking hets:

If you breed a eastern to a hypo you will get normal hets like this :

Then if you breed the (normal) looking hets togeteher you will get normal and hypos like this:

So to answer your question. ..from a HET to HET brteeding not all will be hypos.

Also beware, there are people selling 3/4 florida 1/4 easterns as "mutlys" and they don't look as good . Basically they are plugging in the 50/50's from my line into hypo Florida kings and getting a washed down version and marketing them as mutleys.

Also these mutleys actually naturally intergrade from 300 miles south of the Florida borber and they extende all the way into south GA. So they cover quite a range and should be called natural intergrades! Or In this case when bred to a s floroda local 'unatural intergrade' done in tupperware boxes..heh heh
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Thanks for the lesson. I actually like the look of the one in the second pic. So that one is the product of the initial breeding of the Eastern x Florida?

Thanks,
Miller

>>First get a eastern and hypo to produce normal looking hets:
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>>If you breed a eastern to a hypo you will get normal hets like this :
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>> Then if you breed the (normal) looking hets togeteher you will get normal and hypos like this:
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>>So to answer your question. ..from a HET to HET brteeding not all will be hypos.
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>>Also beware, there are people selling 3/4 florida 1/4 easterns as "mutlys" and they don't look as good . Basically they are plugging in the 50/50's from my line into hypo Florida kings and getting a washed down version and marketing them as mutleys.
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>>Also these mutleys actually naturally intergrade from 300 miles south of the Florida borber and they extende all the way into south GA. So they cover quite a range and should be called natural intergrades! Or In this case when bred to a s floroda local 'unatural intergrade' done in tupperware boxes..heh heh
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1.1 Florida King
1.1 Eastern Kings
1.1 Black Milksnake
1.2 Kankakee Bull Snakes
2.2 Still Water Hypos
1.1 Possibly stillwater x Red Bull
2.2 N. Pinesnake
0.1 Tangerine Honduran
0.0.1 Black Ratsnake
1.0 Chow Chow (2003 Papi)
0.1 Cats (Shug)

I actually like the look of the one in the second pic. So that one is the product of the initial breeding of the Eastern x Florida?

Yes it is a first gen from the initial breeding of a paremnt hypo florida king to a eastern king. What else is amazing is that snake in the picture is only 9 months old. It is huge today but the males are even bigger. And i don't even try and feed them that much.

What else is coool is the eastern female i used in the initial breeding was het for melanistic (she passed away since) and some of the babies from the pairing produced all black babies and the hypos turned from yellow to almost solid whit as adults.

This snake above is almost solid white today. Very cool.

Only time I have ever heard of melanism in eastern kings.

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Stop teasing and post a recent pic!
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Thanks for the additional info. My female Eastern is in her second shed this year so I may put my hypo male with her after she sheds. The first time I put them together he ran from her like a bat out of hell. Hopefully this time will be different!

Miller

>>I actually like the look of the one in the second pic. So that one is the product of the initial breeding of the Eastern x Florida?
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>>Yes it is a first gen from the initial breeding of a paremnt hypo florida king to a eastern king. What else is amazing is that snake in the picture is only 9 months old. It is huge today but the males are even bigger. And i don't even try and feed them that much.
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>>What else is coool is the eastern female i used in the initial breeding was het for melanistic (she passed away since) and some of the babies from the pairing produced all black babies and the hypos turned from yellow to almost solid whit as adults.
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>>This snake above is almost solid white today. Very cool.
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>>Only time I have ever heard of melanism in eastern kings.
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1.1 Florida King
1.1 Eastern Kings
1.1 Black Milksnake
1.2 Kankakee Bull Snakes
2.2 Still Water Hypos
1.1 Possibly stillwater x Red Bull
2.2 N. Pinesnake
0.1 Tangerine Honduran
0.0.1 Black Ratsnake
1.0 Chow Chow (2003 Papi)
0.1 Cats (Shug)

>>First get a eastern and hypo to produce normal looking hets:
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>>If you breed a eastern to a hypo you will get normal hets like this :
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>> Then if you breed the (normal) looking hets togeteher you will get normal and hypos like this:
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>>So to answer your question. ..from a HET to HET brteeding not all will be hypos.
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>>Also beware, there are people selling 3/4 florida 1/4 easterns as "mutlys" and they don't look as good . Basically they are plugging in the 50/50's from my line into hypo Florida kings and getting a washed down version and marketing them as mutleys.
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>>Also these mutleys actually naturally intergrade from 300 miles south of the Florida borber and they extende all the way into south GA. So they cover quite a range and should be called natural intergrades! Or In this case when bred to a s floroda local 'unatural intergrade' done in tupperware boxes..heh heh
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Nice photos. Some of these guys look almost like a milksnake. It lends credence to molecular data which shows the common kingsnake to be a relatively recent (mid-Pleistocne) descendant of the milk snake.

Nice photos. Some of these guys look almost like a milksnake. It lends credence to molecular data which shows the common kingsnake to be a relatively recent (mid-Pleistocne) descendant of the milk snake.

I totally agree except for the mid-Pleistocene period. I think it happened waay more recently.

I wonder if there were any record of american indian drawings or the first white settlers had any biologists notes?
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Here is my female a year ago:

and now:

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