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Any help is greatly appreciated

snakesnhotsauce Mar 23, 2009 12:37 PM

Hi!
Im beating my brains with these genetics lol... I have used the genetics wizard and have written down all the info it gave me and tried to put it in a more "easy to read" format..yet im still confused.

I have 1.0 TH moonglow, 0.1 Pastel DH Ghost, 0.1 DH snow

The wizard throws out so many numbers and even with it all written out im still not sure of the actual possiblities...
Math never was my strong point!

If anyone can shed some light on this please help i would extremly appreciate it.

Thanks
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1.3 columbian RTB
0.1 C.A RTB
1.1 bredli carpet python
0.0.1 hermanni tortoise
3.2 RES
1.0 savannah monitor
0.0.1 nile monitor
n horses n kitties n doggies!

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rainbowsrus Mar 23, 2009 01:18 PM

I've posted this part before.....

How to Manual: Multi morph and Punnet Squares....

Often I see where the same folks that can figure out a simple punnet square on one or two morphs are struggling to figure out the outcomes multiple morph genetics involved. It's actually fairly simple and straightforward.

There are two basic outcomes of interest.....

1) What visual phenotypes should/could pop out

2) What are the probabilities of any of those specific outcomes

Both are easily answered with just a little math....

For example Jungle Sunglow het Moonglow x Jungle het Snow (complicated on purpose)

Expand that out to show all the genetics involved......

Jungle, Hypo, Albino, het Anery x Jungle, het Albino, het anery

Now separate them into the individual traits, remember to show both animals for each trait......

Jungle x Jungle
Hypo x Normal
Albino x Het Albino
Het Anery x Het Anery

Then work out the visual phenotypes and odds for each trait.....

Jungle x Jungle = ¼ Super Jungle, ½ Jungle, ¼ Normal
Hypo x Normal = ½ Hypo, ½ Normal
Albino x Het Albino = ½ Albino, ½ Normal (Het Albino)
Het Anery x Het Anery = ¼ Anery, ¾ Normal (Pos het Anery)

The total number of visual phenotypes equals the product of the individual trait phenotypes (multiply them all together)....

#Jungle x #Hypo x #Albino x #Anery = 3 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 24

Which says if the litter were large enough and the odds gods were totally fair, there would be 24 different looks in all the babies.

To figure out the odds on any one of those outcomes (yeah, if you want all 24 you have to repeat the process 23 more times) Pick one phenotype from each of the visual traits. Then multiply the odds for each of those phenotypes.....

Examples....

Super Jungle, Hypo, Albino, Anery (yeah, might not able to visually ID all the traits with all that's going on, for the sake of this discussion, all are visible one way or another))
¼ x ½ x ½ x ¼

Or 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 over 4 x 2 x 2 x 4 = 1/64 or one in 64 babies from that pairing would be a Super Jungle Moonglow

One more, what are the odds on normal looking wild type baby (remember, you have to select one from each group) so......

Normal(Jungle) x Normal(Hypo) x Normal(Albino) x Normal(Anery)
¼ x ½ x ½ x ¾ = 3/64

Hope this helps, I know many get confused at first but once you grasp the concept, you'll always know how to figure out even the most complicated outcomes.

Looking at your specifically....

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>>I have 1.0 TH moonglow, 0.1 Pastel DH Ghost, 0.1 DH snow

TH Moonglow x Pastel DH Ghost...

Hypo x Hypo = 1/4 Normal, 3/4 Hypo (66% super)
Het Albino x normal = all 50% het Albino
Het Anery x het Anery = 1/4 Anery, 3/4 66% Het anery

Possible visual outcomes are 2 x 1 x 2 = 4

Ghost pos het Albino = 3/4 x 1/4 = 3/16
Anery pos het Albino = 1/4 x 1/4 = 1/16
Hypo, pos het Anery, pos het Albino = 3/4 x 3/4 = 9/16
Normal pos het Anery, pos het Albino = 1/4 x 3/4 = 3/16
(left Pastel out as it's variable and each baby may have some degree of pastel)

TH Moonglow x DH Snow

Hypo x normal = 1/2 Hypo, 1/2 normal
Het Albino x het Albino = 1/4 Albino, 3/4 normal (66% het Albino)
Het Anery x het Anery = 1/4 Anery, 3/4 normal (66% het Anery)

Possible visual outcomes are 2 x 2 x 2 = 8

Moonglow = 1/2 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 1/32
Sunglow pos het Anery = 1/2 x 1/4 x 3/4 = 3/32
Ghost pos het Albino = 1/2 x 1/4 x 3/4 = 3/32
Hypo pos het Albino, pos het Anery = 1/2 x 3/4 x 3/4 = 9/32
Snow = 1/2 x 1/4 x 1/4 = 1/32
Albino pos het Anery = 1/2 x 1/4 x 3/4 = 3/32
Anery pos het Albino = 1/2 x 1/4 x 3/4 = 3/32
Normal pos het Albino, pos het Anery = 1/2 x 3/4 x 3/4 = 9/32

Clear as mud right?
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

snakesnhotsauce Mar 23, 2009 01:44 PM

Thank you so much, That was a great amount of help!
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1.1 argentine RTB
1.3 columbian RTB
0.1 C.A RTB
1.1 bredli carpet python
0.0.1 hermanni tortoise
3.2 RES
1.0 savannah monitor
0.0.1 nile monitor
n horses n kitties n doggies!

LarM Mar 23, 2009 01:45 PM

Dave was born to answer questions like this

. . . Lar M
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BoaGal Mar 23, 2009 06:42 PM

This website always helps me:
www.freewebs.com/chadhornereptiles/genetics.htm

It doesn't have every possibility, but it does have a lot of them!
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Rachel Squier
"The more we live by our intellect, the less we understand the meaning of life." -Leo Tolstoy

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