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please help me make sure that i was not swindled i have a male boa with papers but read an article that some breeders are falsifing material. tommorow i will post what he is supposed to be. please just give me an educated guess and if you need more pics please let me know.

LOL , Looks like an Albino Kahl strain to me.

. . . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

Yup,
just as Larry said,it's a Kahl albino no guesses needed. Why post what he's supposed to be tomorrow? If you infact got swindled you'd be better off addressing that ASAP!

Well its not the albino part I am concerned with he is supposed to be part of a future sunglow project in that he is supposed to be an albino arabesque. Can any one confirm. Or tell me why they disagree in detail. I have seen a lot of arabesque but the inclusion of the albanism realy makes it hard to establish.for me at least.

not even close to being a abrab back out now

Why not an arab I need detail because if its not I still need one but I presented it to 4 other breeders and it was a split on it and the closest thing I could get to an explanation was the reverse tail pattern and that it was not a great arab but it was arab. Yet I don't disagree with you because I don't see it

it doesn't have the head pattern which even the lowest expression arabs have. low expressions still have some saddle elongation do to the connected saddles of arabs even if they don't connect. that albino has none. tail striping is common on a lot of normal albinos so i would group that trait with the albino rather then the arab morph. also albino arabs have a more intense color then most "normal" albinos (some lines are as colorful like lipsticks and Matt's red line)which the pictured albino doesn't show.

Adult currently gravid female. Gravidity is really bringing out her colors and pattern.....

and your pics for easy comparison....

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

I'm guessing, buit the albino in question probably has some Argentine blood in it whcih creates the abnormal tail pattern,. But it's definitely not a besque!

Dave, She is looking great!

Sierra's aunt is gravid this year not sure who the dad is eithr a Orangasm DblHet Sunglow or a Jungle Het Albino! 8 years old and her first time gravid, her sister a het albino has produced five litters for me!

Hope all is well

I'm no expert but even I can see it's not an arab. I also don't understand why anybody would still even consider buying an animal from somebody who they didn't trust 100%. If somebody is going to lie to you about an animal before you even purchase it, imagine how that seller would handle any problems that might come up after the sale. Unreal.

I've produced a few myself and have never had a problem spotting them with complete certainty.

I can say without question that that one is not an arabesque.

Thanks to all I have contacted the breeder and he is sending me a true aa for the price of an albino since there was an apperent confusion in packaging. I will not say who it is due to that I don't believe it is right every one can make a mistake to bad I have had this little one for close to a year. Now the breeder is well known and I would have to say at least a 1/4 of people on this forum have one of his snakes or a snake that originated from him. So how do we avoid falsification of papers this kind of going back to lipstick or lipstick line. I stayed away from fly by nite breeders yet still got ****** .how do we protect our selves.

It's always a hard choice / decision....

By purchasing from a well known (larger) breeder you lessen the risk but still people can and do make mistakes. In your case and others, the bigger breeder is making it right. On the flip side, the larger breeders do typically have a higher price.

Unknown or lesser known breeders typically can't sell the same animal for the same price so you can save some up front. But if there is any problem, you may be left holding the bag snake bag that is!!

Not as big a deal in visual morphs as long as you do myour homework.

The largest risk is in hets or possible hets. Heard many stories of hets not proving. And of course many possible hets do not prove as well. In both cases an unscrupulous seller could lable any old boa as a het or possible het to inflate the value. Trouble for the buyer is a lot of time can go by before the animal proves normal. Even more in the case of a female.

I only buy hets and pos hets from trusted sources. That way even in the case of possibles, I do have the chance it could prove out. Got several unproven animals in the breeding trials this year....fingers crossed!!!

And you did not get ****** if the original seller is making good on an apparent mistake.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Thanks all and rainbow your right I am glad I paid more because at least it is being taken care of. Even though it leaves a bad taste since instead of waiting 2 years now I have to wait 4.

Yea,
definitly not an Albino Arabesque and I had a feeling thats what you were going to say when you put in the tail pic. It's cool it's being taken care of but the breeder really needs to replace it with an animal of the same age or throw something else in to sweeten the deal and make sure your 100% happy which it doesn't really sound like right now. I really don't see how the breeder could've mistook that for an Arabesque if he's well known cause it's very obvious it is not. I would DEFINITELY let them know your unhappy with not getting an animal thats the same age or being compensated for the age difference. I've had a friend go threw a simular experience and got an animal that was 2 years younger as a replacement. Needless to say he lost two precious years and will never do buisness with that person again. Don't let the so called "bigger breeders" bully you in any way. If this person is infact a "well known breeder" they will do what needs to be done to make you 100% happy and keep their name clean casue as we all know,a clean name in this biz is the most important thing if you want to be successful. Atleast thats how I see it. Goodluck and don't be affraid to speak your mind to this person.

It was quite obvious to me that was not an Alb Arab. No pattern connection, no Arab head marking, no lateral color
(All Alb Arabs have at least some lateral color)no ladderatil or stripe at end of tail.
You didn't get ****d as long as the breeder is sending you an Arab of equal age.
When things go wrong such as this sometimes the time lost leaves you further out of the project
Plus the price a year or four years ago was far higher than the price any particular morph(i.e.Arab ,Jungle ,Motley etc...)
is commanding at the present excluding new morphs of course
So if you were given an Arab of the same age you did well.
If you were given an Arab a year younger
well you at least got your Albino Arab.

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

Just for future reference, I think this pic is great at demonstrating the color difference between albino arabs and albinos at birth:

Here is one of the males from that litter all grown up. You can clearly see the connected pattern, head pattern, and color difference.

Thats one smoke'n hot Arabesque!!!

Nice photo, really shows off the pinks and coral colors!!! That seems hard to do with Albinos and Sunglows...

Chaz Neely

Thanks chaz. I'm hoping he'll be a daddy in a few weeks. He was bred to the matriarch of the red albinos.