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boaphile Mar 25, 2009 06:18 PM

So, what happens when a Boa ingests some Aspen bedding?

In about 2003 or 2004 I was feed my Boas in an evening. One of those Boas was a large female Pastel that was born in my original "Lucy" litter in 1989. This is the litter where the original "East Bay Vivarium Red Group" animals came from. A 14 or 15 year old Boa. She has cataracts mind you. She is in an upper cage and as I am making my way down the isle, she strikes out, nails the door at a steep angle, proceeds down into the Aspen and gets a mouth full, and I do mean a mouth FULL of Aspen. Her mouth is agape as the Aspen is loaded to her gills and part way into her throat! Bummer! It's late and I WAS almost done.

So I open the door, grab her behind the head so I can start picking out the Aspen with a hemostat. She will have none of it! Imagine how spastic she is now with a mouth FULL of Aspen and me holding her right behind the head trying to restrain her. She goes ballistic! Thrashing and whipping her tail around puckering out her cloaca. It was ugly. “OK. That's what you want, that's what you get!”, I told her. Ungrateful animal just had no idea I was trying to help her. I put her back in the cage, with a great deal of difficulty and closed the door. “I'll take care of you in the morning…”

I was in fear for her life. She was so stressed, and I really had no real idea how exactly to tackle that. It’s one of those things you have to do. It doesn’t matter if you have done it before or not. It doesn’t matter if you know exactly how to do it or not. You just do it.

Sort of like one time I had a female Boa that was trying to give birth. She was contracting and wringing and I could see this one immense slug come part way out and then retreat back into the female. I watched this for about ten minutes when I realized I had to do something. I had never done it before. I didn’t know the best way to do it. I didn’t have any rubber gloves handy, but I took care of what needed to be done. I opening the cage door, took hold of the female’s ample tail just below the vent, inserted my right forefinger along side that slug into the cloaca, hooked my finger toward the slug and pulled that sucker out! It was or looked like several older slugs all stuck together. She had stopped long enough to try to figure out what on Earth I was doing back there. Once I got that thing out I released the tail and moved back. She commenced doing her duty and we had many more happy babies born in short order. Never did it. Didn’t know how to do it, but I did it. No, there isn’t any video and nobody else even saw me do it. Just me, my Boa in the dark with a snake light wrapped around my neck so I could see what I was doing. Git er’ done I guess is what they call that.

So I hadn’t had a Boa shovel Aspen before, at least not that I had seen. I'd never had that happen before, but she was so crazed I had no shot at doing anything at that time. I would tackle her in the morning.

The next morning, I go down to start the task of hopefully cleaning up that mess with her, hopefully settled down a bit. I turn on the lights, head down the hall to her isle, hang a left and make my way to her cage. As I look in the cage at that last stack on the left, top cage, she is coiled up with her head on top looking at me just as pretty as can be as if to say, "What"? "What are you looking at"? There she was, mouth completely closed. Not so much as one little piece sticking out a corner of her mouth. I checked. Clean as a whistle and she had completely calmed down. So, what happened? I don't know. Maybe the Aspen fairies showed up to help her out and cleaned out her mouth in the middle of the night. Maybe one of the miracles of evolution is that when people aren’t looking, that Boas actually have hands and she picked out what she could and flossed the rest. Maybe. Or maybe, God who created her and all of the wonders of nature, has endowed snakes with the ability to somehow take care of the occasional foreign object that makes it into their mouths when they eat. Somehow. How exactly I don’t know but it worked out just fine. She produced two more great litters from me in years after that. I did loose her a couple years ago when she was nearly eighteen years of age and the Mother of I don’t know how may babies over the years. She was a baby when she didn’t have Aspen in her mouth.

Her is one of her babies from her last litter. A Lucy Pastel het Albino Female. Pattern wise and color wise, the only one anything like this one in the litter. Remarkable:


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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site
The Boaphile Photo Gallery Link

Replies (9)

DONTshoot Mar 25, 2009 07:19 PM

That was very well written, you should write a book or produce a video or something ; )

rainbowsrus Mar 25, 2009 07:44 PM

Pretty much a guaranteed good read.

And this one was great, a story tucked inside another story!

I agree, you should write a book - anecdotes of the boa black hole!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Sidviciouser Mar 25, 2009 10:39 PM

That was great Jeff, thanks for posting it.

LarM Mar 25, 2009 10:53 PM

WOW that Aspen Lucy Momma had a beautiful Het Albino Lucy Baby.
She is amazing and unique Lucy hert Albino.
I'd really like to see what she produces.?!.?!.!

I know I don't worry about a little Aspen but on those rare occasions
when they do something spastic like you described.
I do tend to reach in and clear as much out of their mouth as I can.
Leather gloves my finger and maybe a hemostat to pick out any
deeper chunks or to clear the Jacobsons a bit.

Keep the great stories coming Jeff ,so I have plenty of
material to fill up my Book,LOL
. . . . Lar M
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BrandonSander Mar 26, 2009 12:33 PM

I have to agree with everyone else, your posts are always entertaining (if not enlightening) and you really should consider writing a book. Even if it isn't a "How-to" book, just a book of stories about your experiences as a reptile keeper (I don't say boa breeder, because I'm sure you have stories about other species of reptile that you maybe didn't plan on breeding... "reptile keeper" is a little more all encompassing).

I agree with you about snakes being designed and capable to handle the occasional foreign debris that gets caught in their mouth or even consumed. I would find it very difficult to believe that the stomach contents of a specimen fresh out of the wild would not contain various rocks, grit, and/or vegetable matter.

Consider all of the species of boa and python that consume birds as a staple prey item in their diet. Birds regularly consume small stones and pebbles to help them digest their meals. Any snake that then eats a bird would also be ingesting all of those rocks... even though they do not pose the risk of getting caught in the snake's mouth (the feathers do though!) we would worry in captivity about impaction if our animals consumed an equal amount of pebbles.
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DQREPS Mar 26, 2009 01:24 PM

Well, good story. But kind of a let down Jeff. I was really hoping to hear that the female tagged you. Oh well, you win some, you lose some, he he. By the way, i need some more cages and racks so i will be in touch soon! Be Safe!

Texas

boaphile Mar 26, 2009 06:44 PM

Thanks for the kind words. If only i had the time for writing more. I just wish my English skills were higher than a third grader. I would definitely do more of it then.

Here is another silly little story. Very silly really. I have had two separate people tell me this so I believe it. One of my cage competitors tells his potential customers that my "Expandable Cages" are not as good as his because of the 1/2" tall bump in the middle of the cages where two cages connect. We have that lip so the cages don't leak snake urine all over your floor and for no other reason. Leaky cages are horrible! The cages we make would just not be suitable for snakes because of that horrific 1/2" tall bump where the two cages connect! Seriously! I'm not kidding! The first time I heard that I thought, your kidding right? No, he assured me that he spoke with the fellow making other cages at a show, and the guy looked him right in the eyes, with a straight look on his face, without cracking a smile, or busting a gut, explaining that that 1/2" bump would be very uncomfortable for snakes to have to crawl over! Unbelievable!

I'm not sure on what planet the snakes come from that live on perfectly flat smooth surfaces, but it sure isn't planet Earth! "Beam me up Scottie! I can't stay here! I just found a 1/2" bump on the forest floor! Our snakes will never survive in this harsh terrain! I said, Beam me up Scottie and pronto!"
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site
The Boaphile Photo Gallery Link

rainbowsrus Mar 26, 2009 10:19 PM

I must be torturing three of my BRB pairs by taking out the center divider in my 241T's. That same center bump is there as well. I should be flogged!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Julie F Mar 26, 2009 11:38 PM

XD

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