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Hi Tom,

Here is another individual baby nile from the xanthic female next to a normal colored nile crocodile. Both are from a different mother. These crocodiles are about a year old in the picture taken 6 months ago.

Truly,

Paul Bodnar
Crocodile Wildlife Conservationist

That is a very dark 'normal' colored Nile. Virtually all of ours are lighter than the dark animal in that photo. The only animals we have that remain that dark are animals that have ancestry in West Africa.

The Madagascar version is a nice blend of black and yellow and our east and south guys are more yellow.

A croc farm we consult with in Africa is able to increase the yellow color(sometimes markedly so) of the hide by feeding more maize to the animals. SO we are not convinced it is a totally genetic condition although clearly that the case in some of them.
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

Hello Chris,

Nice to hear from you. How have you been?

The "normal" and "yellow" babies all came from the same male but were bred to different females. It was my understanding these crocs (now on display at GATORLAND) came out of somewhere in East Africa (Tanzania?).

Tom Crutchfield do you recall any information as to the location the Gatorland adults were from before they entered the USA?

Maybe Chris we can trace some history on this bloodline, niles are such a fantastic species with much variation, it's a good thing you have so many

Truly,

Paul Bodnar
Crocodile Wildlife Conservationist

Hi Paul,

The problem is that in the USA so many folks have animals from different places in the same pool and the resulting offspring are of course a mix. This makes tracking alot of lines problematic but you can usually tell just by looking if you have seen enough.

Do you know the fella in Ocala that bred some of the animals on the classifieds?

>>Hello Chris,
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>>Nice to hear from you. How have you been?
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>>The "normal" and "yellow" babies all came from the same male but were bred to different females. It was my understanding these crocs (now on display at GATORLAND) came out of somewhere in East Africa (Tanzania?).
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>>Tom Crutchfield do you recall any information as to the location the Gatorland adults were from before they entered the USA?
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>>Maybe Chris we can trace some history on this bloodline, niles are such a fantastic species with much variation, it's a good thing you have so many
>>
>>Truly,
>>
>>Paul Bodnar
>>Crocodile Wildlife Conservationist
>>
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

Hi Chris,

No, I do not know him, but my guess is he is reselling those animals and did not produce them. Although I could be wrong, I am guessing they were all from Gatorland since they match up with thier surplus list on both age and species.

I just read Tom's post below, it appears Kenny Ernest at Black Hills bred the adult niles thus making them siblings, but then the grandparents must have come from Arthur Jones? I agree it is difficult to track the counties, I am struggling with this situation raegarding all our captive Osteolaemus.

I wonder how far back the lines can be traced?

I heard CROC TAG may be in San Antionio TX the fall of this year.

Truly,

Paul Bodnar
Crocodile Wildlife Conservationist

Ooops...forgot to hit spell check

I heard they have been bred by a fella in Ocala.

Yes Croc Tag is in San Antonio.

Do you have a line on any salts? I am in need.
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

Hi Chris,

It seems nobody is willing to give up any (C. porosus) however babies may be available in late 09. I have one lone animal but like everyone else, not a surplus. Morelet's on the other hand are coming out my ears!

I still do not think he produced them, but who knows. It is not the time of year for 09 hatchlings (late summer). I do have a photo of all cubans GATORLAND produced. If I had a reason, I could compare the markings of the Ocala animals.

Either way, I could be producing pure cubans in about 5 years, and they will be much less expensive.

Truly,

Paul Bodnar
Crocodile Wildlife Conservationist

He did not produce them, he said he got them from a friend who produced them in Ocala. I suspected Gatorland but I just take him at his word. Perhaps he reads the forum and could shed some light.
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

Hi Chris,

I found out exactly the situation about the Nile Crocodiles in the "For Sale Ads", if you are interested please email my contact address: crocodile52@msn.com off this forum and I will explain.

Truly,

Paul Bodnar
Crocodile Wildlife Conservationist

hi guys...

you really have sucha great job, for you crocs are a way of living, for my just my passion... hope some day can make them my way of living...

BTW.. what is the CROC TAG??

cheers

Rick

As I understand it Arthur Jones and Earl Brockelsby brought in a number of adult Niles..big ones. I'll ask Kenny tomorrow to clarify. I do know that when Arthur gave up on animals most of the crocs that Kenny brought from the Alligator Farm in CA as well as whatever Arthur owned really disipated.. I think Crutchfield may have gotten some, Ken worked for him for a couple of weeks before coming up to BHRG but a lot of Kens stuff ended up at Gatorland and St. Augustine. I think they got his tomistoma and gharials etc...He brought his 14' female porosus, the original pair of Cubans that he bred, the female we still have. Among others. Though the two that we can't seem to find out where they went were Umphan and Makulu (sp) The two great big Niles. Ken always wondered what happened to them... We always suspected one of them went to Haast's place that ended up getting a kid who jumped/fell in the pond....Anyone have details of those two niles?
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It's what you learn AFTER you know it all that counts!

Terry Phillip
Curator of Reptiles
Black Hills Reptile Gardens
Rapid City, SD.

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