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rainbowsrus Mar 31, 2009 05:16 PM

Dave's questions got me thinking it was time to update breeding 101. So, here is breeding 102, please let me know what you think! Things you like, things you don't, areas that are not clear, TMI, not enough info etc. once done I will post the final version here and on my website.....

BRB breeding 102, This is the basic process I use to breed mine.

My breeding cages:

I made two of these cages to be expandable. They each have 8 roughly 2' x 2' x18" sections. Currently there are 4" PVC pipes on the outside connecting vertical pairs and a pass through between the two cages at each level. All these pipes have threaded ends and can be closed off as required. With these cage connections I have a lot of variability in how I connect cages together. Either two vertical cages, two horizontal cages or even three to four cages in a cluster. Typically each cage is blocked off and housing one female. The males are in a nearby tub rack.



Substrate/water/hides:
I lay down two layers of newspaper followed by one layer of indented craft paper on top. Each cage gets a sweater box for hide/moss. The box gets about an inch of peat moss well dampened and another inch of green moss also nice and damp. There is also a two gallon squat water bowl with about 1 to 2 inches of water I place on top of the hide.



Heating:
I am using Radient Heat Panels (RHP) to heat these cages. One RHP per section. Each level is controlled by one channel of a Herpstat Pro thermostat. Yeah, I could probably control it all with one thermostat but I want to closely control each level and not have the upper cages warmer than the lower ones. The individual channels are set to 82 degrees and with all the cages and tub racks, the whole room ends up around 75. I do use the night drop feature but only a couple of degrees. My downstairs room they occupy was built as a guest bedroom and has full insulation so the room itself retains heat very well.

Feeding/Cleaning.
I usually feed on a two week, give or take, schedule. I feed F/K as I raise my own feeders. Also sometimes feast/famine as I raise my own feeders. I usually check the cages daily and clean as necessary. More so during "eating" season. The hide boxes get checked/changed frequently as they like to poop in the moss maybe feels more natural?

Breeding cycle:

Early October I start dropping my daytime temps over a few week span from 82 to 75. Still keeping all snakes separate. (BTW, I am in San Jose CA, does not get real cold here so I have to use the middle of the winter as my cooling time) During this cooling period I also decide who is getting bred to who and arrange the females so they are in adjacent cages. I still continue feeding cleaning etc. During the entire cooling cycle.

On January first, I open the connections between cages and add in that specific male to create all my 1.2 colonies. I also stsart raising the temps a degree at a time over the next two - three weeks back up to 82 degrees.

Over the next several months, I block the tubes and seperate the individual snakes monthly for feeding. Many females will stop eating once they are gravid but I still offer food. Two or three days after feeding, I open the tubes back up and add the male back in.

During breeding season I observe them frequently and take note of anything I notice that could be related to successful breeding:

Hemipenal sheds
Tails wrapped
Visual Copulation
Swelling in the females (possible ovulations)
Sheddings (do that year round any ways)
Laying on side or back - gravid females will do that

In May (give or take) after all breeding activity has stopped and I believe the girls are all gravid, I block off the tubes and put the males and females all back to their respective cages and tubs. This can be variable for individual 1.2 breeding trios. If both females are clearly gravid, then I can seperate sooner. I feel it's better to leave them together longer than necessary then to separate them too soon!!

Due dates:
By tracking all the females sheds, I can come up with possible due dates. Add to that all my recorded breeding info and I can usually tell which shed was the POS. Typically within a month following last noted breeding activity. And typically in the March - April timeframe (sometimes as late as June). I keep a spreadsheet file with formulas where I can enter in shed dates for each female and it calculates a corresponding due date. It has room for four shed dates per female so I can see alternate due dates all at the same time. I use POS plus 117 days to estimate their due dates. Once I have the necessary info and identify which shed I believe was the POS, I highlight those cells in my spreadsheet and mark my calendar!! I also put a post-it on the individual cages with that females due date.

Feeding while gravid:
Many females will not feed at all, others will sporadically and a select few will eat regularly. I figure out which ones don't typically eat and offer them food first, then keep moving the food item until it's eaten. Last time food is offered is one month prior to due date.

Birthing:
As soon as I find/notice babies I remove them from the mothers cage. Their next care depends on the state of the litter...

Babies all out cruising the cage none still attached to yolk or umbilical. I put these babies directly into shoe boxes with damp paper towels and water bowl..

Babies found shortly ofter (or even during) birth. Full term with minimal or no yolks and still in the egg sacks. I let the babies work them selves free of the egg sacks and umbilical then place each baby in it's shoe box with damp paper towels and water bowl.

Babies found still in sack but with yolks - best to observe and leave them alone giving them time to absorb the yolk. Once they break free, then off to their shoe box with damp towels and water bowl.

On occasion, I have transferred baby with yolk, still in sack to the shoebox. Need to keep that very clean, damp always and keep an eye on it/them. Yolk babies need to be kept extra warm (not hot) to allow them to digest that yolk and not let it harden.

Vacation:
Thought I'd mention that when I'm planning on being gone, I stop feeding two weeks prior to leaving and don't feed again until I return. This helps keep the mess to a minimum while I'm not there to clean it up. And increases the likelyhood of having clean water the entire time I'm gone.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Replies (8)

rainbowsrus Mar 31, 2009 05:32 PM

so there are a few typos
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

brick1 Mar 31, 2009 05:39 PM

awesome comments dave thanks heaps for that.
I have one question about your radiant heat panels, i dont have never used them yet.
But will look to in the future possibly. Do they provide heat all the way to the bottom of the cage? and is it just straight downwards? do you ever get the girls, perched on the edge of the waterbowls, trying to get closer to the heat, at any time during the pregnancy?

and i have always wondered with your setup, do they ever knock those waterbowls over when climbing in and out of them??

cheers again
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Dave

13.19 brbs

rainbowsrus Mar 31, 2009 05:48 PM

Yes, they do radiate down to the floor, soft gentle heat.

Yes I do see them perched on the rim of the bowl getting closer to the heat.

Rarely do the bowls get tipped, maybe more than I know as there is not enough vertical room for them to completely tip over. Only if they get slid off the hide box - very rare!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

huggnkiss Mar 31, 2009 06:18 PM

What is the best weight to start breeding a BRB? I've heard a couple of different variances, but wondered what you go by to know when they are ready to breed?

huggnkiss Mar 31, 2009 06:36 PM

Sorry Dave, it's me, I didn't realize I hadn't set up my sig on here. lol
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Amanda Perez
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1.0 5 yo son (Rafi, too smart for his own britches)
Green Iguana (Eddie, who is def male lol)
2.2 Normal BRB (Vera,Spike,Lucy,Joey)
2.1 My Special BRB (Fiasco,Faith,Frankie)
1.1 Hypo BRB (Newest additions coming)

rainbowsrus Mar 31, 2009 06:51 PM

Should not have answered!!!

I knew it was you!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

rainbowsrus Mar 31, 2009 06:50 PM

IMO....

2 1/2 years old at a minimum (males and females)

3 lbs minimum for a female 3 1/2 lbs is better. I use metric weights and put my min at 1500 Grams or 3.3 lbs

Beyond that, healthy individuals is obvious!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

huggnkiss Mar 31, 2009 07:06 PM

I'll be starting my first one next winter. Woo Hoo I'm excited. You guys will be hearing from me a lot more often then.
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Amanda Perez
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1.0 5 yo son (Rafi, too smart for his own britches)
Green Iguana (Eddie, who is def male lol)
2.2 Normal BRB (Vera,Spike,Lucy,Joey)
2.1 My Special BRB (Fiasco,Faith,Frankie)
1.1 Hypo BRB (Newest additions coming)

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