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Hello, I was hopeing to get some answers here regarding Hypo vs Lavender speckled kings. Short & sweet is there a diffrence in the 2? the ones Ive seen that were so-called lavenders have red eyes like an albino. Have recently purchased some that I thought were lavenders,but do not have RED eyes, would that make them HYPOS? If so I could I produce more morphs?

any input would be awesome.

Short and Sweet... There are no HYPO speckled Kingsnakes.

The Speckeld Morphs are:

Lavender Albino (T-Positive) (ruby-red eyes/ lavender-brown color/yellow specks)

Amelanitic (T-Negative) (Red eyed and white with yellow specks)

"White-Walled" aka White-sided speckled kings (very white along sides and nose/ varied stripe down the back)

~ZF

I know the morphs,I just questioned these lavenders I just got reason being they DO NOT have red/ruby red eyes. They have normal colored eyes. They were sold to me as HYPOS,I knew they were lavs. & needed some more adult breeders for my own speckled collection. Are you saying there are no HYPOS that have been produced and sold? Or there are not the correct morphs/genes to produce a hypo period? Thanks for the input man, alot of ppls knowledge on this subject on any snake overwhelms me.
I'll get pix posted ASAP,these guys are really light skinned too.

Sorry forgot to ask, If they dont have ruby/red eyes,but normal eyes,are they still lavender albinos? if not what are they? Im just very intrested because Ive nvr heard of a true HYPO either...but also have nvr seen a lavernder albino with nornal colored eyes.
Thanks again.

If you have "Lavenders" (laveder-looking) with Normal colored eyes... I'd have to say hypo would be the proper term. BUT I haven't heard of Hypo specks. try looking at them in natural light maybe you can't see the ruby-red.

Please post pix, I'm very interested in this.

~ZF

As am I. Im trying to get a digital cam. over here pronto,so I can post pix.Im new to this forum I'll send you a pvt msg if you could tell me how to post the pix on here that would be awesome. Im praying that somehow these are hypos. This eye color thing is really got me @ all.

Here is the pic of the hypo speckled king that I sent you. I never really new what a lavender was but I'm guessing it is a "coined" name for T or T- albino. These kings have normal colored eyes as Joe has said. He will have to post a better pic showing the eye color as this is all I have.

That is a lavender T positive albino. They have been around forever.
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Indeed they have... Im just really stumped on the whole eye color thing. Pix to be posted within the hr.

I know next to nothing about holbrooki morphs......however, I can't wait to see the pictures. It sounds very interesting.
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1.0.0 Lampropeltis getula holbrooki
0.1.0 Lampropeltis getula californae
0.0.1 Lampropeltis getula nigra
1.0.0 Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri
2.3.0 Eublapharis macularius macularius
0.0.2 Rhacodactylus ciliatus
0.1.0 Gerrhosaurus major major

"The Speckeld Morphs are:

Lavender Albino (T-Positive) (ruby-red eyes/ lavender-brown color/yellow specks)

Amelanitic (T-Negative) (Red eyed and white with yellow specks)

"White-Walled" aka White-sided speckled kings (very white along sides and nose/ varied stripe down the back)"

Who all are working with Speckled King morphs?

I know a few who have the whitewalls, but what about the T and T-?

All these recent holbrooki posts are giving me the fever again.
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1.1.0 Hondurans Het Amel
1.1.0 Hondurans Anery, Het Hypo
0.1.0 Honduran Hypo
0.1.0 Honduran Hypo, Het Anery
0.2.0 Pueblans
1.0.0 Pueblan Hypo
1.0.0 Thayeri MSP
0.0.1 GBK Blair's Phase
1.0.0 California King
0.1.0 California King Blue-eyed Blond
0.0.1 Speckled King WC
0.0.1 Jungle Carpet
0.1.0 Ball, Normal
1.0.0 San Diego Gopher, Poss. Het Applegate
0.0.1 Sulcata
0.1.0 Wife, Caucasius Mexicana

Isis Reptiles usually have both lavender and Amelanistic specks in the classifieds. (as well as White-walled/White-sided specks).

~ZF

Post pics pronto.

reako45

Ill have pix posted tomorrow,I want to get some really good ones in various types of light as suggested,but Ive looked @ them in every kind of light i can produce or expose them to & I CANT find a hint of RED in them. Hope Hope!!!
Thanks guys, Joe

i havnt seen hypo holbrooki but i have seen hypo splendida (same snake if you ask me) at anyrate hypos i would imagine be brown, this was recently given to me as a speck(holbrooki) ,,,,,,,,,,thomas davis


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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

That is a beauty. Im with ya on the morph and baseball card thing lol. Yea that is definitly a speckled king in your hand. Thanks for all the input fellas.

Joe

I have pix can someone,please help me figure out how to post them,as I am new to this forum.
Thanks Joe

The Easiest way to post pix is to create a Photobucket account @(Photobucket(DOT)Com) then copy and paste the IMG link for the photos you want.

Preview your post to make sure your post the correct links

~ZF

These are the best I could do as far as pix goes. I hope the answer im looking for comes my way.

Thanks,Joe

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More pix... Im still tring to find some red in these eyes.

Joe

That's a speck, I see no red, but try indoors as well, the pics are a little fuzzy, but great first post!

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Todd Hughes

Well that snake looks like a Laveder albino to me!

However i do see what you mean about "dark eyes"...

I'm at a loss... looks 100% lav! try shinning a light (flash light) in the eyes at different angles.

Last thing i can think, get a Lavender from another breeder and do a test breeding.

Red eyes on some snakes are harder to spot:

~ZF

Yes,indeed it looks 110% like LAVENDER to me as well,but compared to my other lavz. its like night & day as far as the eye color goes. I have tried flashing lil led lights..etc..etc. and cant find the RED that should be in there. I've done as you said,and have put them to my redeyed females. Lets hope I get some more with normal eyes, to see if its a gene that sticks.
Thanks for all the input.

Thomas, I'd call that a speck, if you think they are subspecies anyway. I see specks on not every scale but do not see whole colored (yellow) scales.
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Todd Hughes

Ive tried in every light I have access to,however I did'nt take pix in all the diffrent lights.Frankly I see no need to there is no RED in the eyes. That is a beautiful whitewall!

and you have a speck that has no red eyes! How cool is that?!!!
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Todd Hughes