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only wants crickets

GrotesqueBurgess Apr 07, 2009 04:07 PM

I have a very small baby savannah monitor, that I will call he even though I don't know the gender yet.

He doesn't want anything I've offered except crickets.
I've offered mealworms, waxworms, canned food, and ground turkey. All he'll eat is the crickets. The movement of the mealworms gets his attention, but once he smells them he doesn't want them anymore. He took a mini-chomp of the canned food, but spit it out.

Now, I've wasted a lot of money on stuff he won't eat. Tell me, how to I get him to eat more than crickets? He LOVES crickets.

And if you've had this issue before, is there an insect that I've not tried that your cricket-loving monitor liked?

I can get roaches, pheonix worms, and maybe more, but if he's just going to turn his nose up to them, I don't want to waste my time or money, but crickets alone (regardless of gutloading or supplements) can't possibly be healthy. He's eating small crickets. He's too small for pinkies or superworms.

And just because it's usually asked here... he's in a 20L currently (he's the size of a large green anole). He's got a basking spot that is usually around 103-109 degrees F. The cool end is usually 79. The humidity is usually about 34%. These measurements are taken with digital devices, not gauges. His heat comes from a heating pad and a cyramic heat emitter. I do not have UVA/UVB lighting. He's got lots of hiding spots. He is on reptile carpeting because I don't want to risk impaction with a dirt/sand mixture (I'll switch to that when he's bigger). I don't think his preference for just crickets is related to my husbandry, but if you think it is, I can take constructive criticism.

Replies (8)

GrotesqueBurgess Apr 07, 2009 04:21 PM

When I say my basking spot temperature, I mean air temperature, not surface temperature.

elidogs Apr 08, 2009 12:48 AM

I just bought a baby savannah this year as well and like yours it won't eat anything but crickets. Its the size of a large anole as well.....I have a bunch of frogs, tarantulas, tokay gecko. So I always got bugs around here. I just feed them to someone else if mine won't eat them. I fed mine some ground turkey (cooked) the first week, after that he just wanted crickets. I just dust them once per week...I feed everyday they crickets hide so theres always at least some in there. I use about 6 inches of top soil and water it once a week or so. Keeps the soil diggable so they can build their little tunnels.

I started out with small crickets now he is able to eat the big ones so I know he is growing. Well thats all I can think of.

lwcamp Apr 07, 2009 07:52 PM

>>I can get roaches, pheonix worms, and maybe more, but if
>>he's just going to turn his nose up to them, I don't want
>>to waste my time or money, but crickets alone (regardless
>>of gutloading or supplements) can't possibly be healthy.

Actually, eating crickets alone probably is quite healthy, as far as diet goes (whether his finickiness is due to poor health is another matter, see below). Wild savanna monitors eat almost entirely insects and other invertebrates. As youngsters, they primarily eat a species of cricket. Let him gorge himself on crickets if that's what he wants.

>>I don't think his preference for just crickets is related
>>to my husbandry, but if you think it is, I can take
>>constructive criticism.

Okay, here's my take on your description ...

>>And just because it's usually asked here... he's in a 20L
>>currently (he's the size of a large green anole). He's got a
>>basking spot that is usually around 103-109 degrees F.

Measure the surface temperature. Get one of those infrared temp guns (they're not that expensive) and take a reading. If it is in the 130 degree F range or above, you can relax a bit about basking temperatures (I say a bit, because you should never be entirely comfortable with your husbandry - a little bit of constant worry is a good thing). Also, watch the lizard's behavior - if he is spending much of his time under the basking lamps, raise the basking temperature.

>>The cool end is usually 79. The humidity is usually about 34%.

Savanna monitors are dormant during the dry season, and become active in the wet season. The hatchlings also emerge during the wet season. I would try to raise the humidity a bit, up to 50% or so, to simulate the wet season.

>>His heat comes from a heating pad and a cyramic heat emitter.

I don't trust heat pads. See if you can get all your heat from radiant sources.

>>I do not have UVA/UVB lighting.

That's okay, it doesn't seem to be needed (although the lighting from the mercury vapor lamps is prettier than any other source I've found yet).

>>He's got lots of hiding spots. He is on reptile carpeting
>>because I don't want to risk impaction with a dirt/sand
>>mixture.

Not so good. Not good at all, in fact. Monitors rely on burrows in dirt for all sorts of things - most importantly regulating temperature and humidity (and protection from predators - not as important in captives). A healthy savanna will not get impacted. A savanna that can't burrow will likely get chronically dehydrated and will not stay healthy (I've learned this the hard way with many, many animals. Don't let them have died in vain, learn from my mistakes). Ditch the carpet and get him something that will hold a burrow and hold in humidity ASAP. This way he can also put his hiding spots where he wants them.

My guess is that with proper temps (which you may have, or may not, hard to tell) and a proper substrate (which you are missing), your little lizard will get healthy enough to start trying other food sources.

Also, if you can, get a copy of the book on savanna monitors by Bennett and Thakoordyal. It is the best book on keeping savannas out there. In fact, I'll go so far as to say it is the only book on keeping savannas in captivity worth reading (some of the others have pretty pictures, but the husbandry advice is abysmal. Well, Faust's book on Niles is all right, but Bennett and Thakoordyal's book is the best monitor husbandry book I've read, period).

Luke

bishopm1 Apr 07, 2009 08:05 PM

Also, you have dusted those crickets with calcium with vitamin D3 haven't you?

rappstar609 Apr 07, 2009 11:01 PM

-Crickets are just fine, his horizons will broaden as he gets bigger.

-Get some sand / topsoil mix in there, at least 4 or 5 inches of it at min.

-Raise the basking temp, that is the hottest spot under the heat lamp or heat emitter, the closest he can get to it. Raise it to around 130. Lower the cool end temp.

Good Luck!
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Nate83 Apr 08, 2009 12:12 PM

And ditch the heat emitter!! They tend to heat air (non-useable temps) not a surface. so to get any useable surface temps your air temps will be through the roof (not good) with the use of CHE's. Get yourself a flood lamp of the lowest wattage that will achieve the 130f basking temps. What type of top do you have for the 20L? If it is bare screen top you're asking for problems. Search the threads and you'll get ideas to customize your top. Impactions are usually caused from dehydration!! Good luck!

Nate

GrotesqueBurgess Apr 08, 2009 10:24 PM

Okay,
so I gave him a substrate (an organic soil, vermiculite, sand mixture). I covered as much of the top as I could with taped down tin foil. I exchanged his heat emitter out for a red spot light, but that actually made my temperatures drop, so I may be going back if he seems to be basking more than he was with the emitter (which wasn't much at all).

I haven't been able to get a temp. gun yet. Is there any place to get one that isn't pet specific? Pet places/online are always so expensive. For instance, petsmart wants almost twenty dollars for a digital thermometer but I can get the same thing pretty much at walmart for $6. Can you get a temp gun at Walmart, Home Depot, etc.? If so, what section?

Yes, I'm dusting his crickets and gutloading them.

I want so badly to keep him healthy and happy

Nate83 Apr 09, 2009 11:50 AM

I got my first temp gun at a hobby shop that specialized in Radio Controlled Planes and such. They aren't any cheaper than proexotics guns and probably not any better. The price could go to $100 tomorrow and I'd still buy one. If you keep reptiles you shouldn't be without one. Spend the $25.

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