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Here are the pics of the Lavender male breeding the Ghost/Palomar, het albino female.

[img]http://www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com/lavxghost08.jpg[img]

And here is last year's clutch pic....two of the males were off-colored.

[img]http://www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com/lavxghost08-clutch.jpg[img]

And some pics taken today, one with a flash and one without.
[img]http://www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com/lavxghost08-1.jpg[img]

[img]http://www.lonesomevalleyreptiles.com/lavxghost08-2.jpg[img]

So they are defintely het for Lavender and ghost/Palomar and possible het for Albino. I kept the whole clutch LOL

Kerby...

breeding, male Lavender x female Ghost Palomar, het albino

Last years clutch showing the off-colored 2males

Taken today with no flash

With a flash

Kerby...

Trouble with html LOL

Today's pics

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Those are mighty interesting. How long till you breed the 3rd generation?

I will be breeding these back to each other probably in 2011.

Kerby...

Here are the pics of the Lavender male breeding the Ghost/Palomar, het albino female.

Those are super cool. I want some

So you these have 3 traits?

Ghost/Palomar
Lavender albino
Poss het-T negative (red eye) albino?

Weird that those two would come out like that.
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In 2006 I bred a male Hypo (Great Valley Serpentarium Lavender) to the female Ghost/Palomar, het albino

Expecting normal looking double hets, instead I got 2 males that came out different.

This year I am breeding 1.3 of these back to each other.

I have bred my male Ghost/Palomar to other recessive genes and everything came out normal looking. It is DEFINITELY the female Ghost/Palomar that is throwing out the weird stuff.

Kerby...

Double hets (Hypo & Ghost) and possible het albinos.

I bred 1.3 of these back to each other this year.

Kerby...

Okay, I am not clearly following you yet. So when you are talking "HET" albino, do you mean red eye true albino? Or lavender of a different strain?

Just trying to figure out exactly what you are working with.

1)Ghost/Palomar
2)Lavender albino
3)Poss het-T negative (red eye) albino? ?????????
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The female Ghost/Palomar is 100% het for albino as when I bred her to an Albino High White a few years back, some albinos popped out (with orange bellies).

Kerby...

My male Ghost/Palomar IS NOT het for albino.

Kerby...

Dang! I didn't realize that she was the same one that produced the orange bellies. She sure has some interesting genes. Did you breed her or do you know what the parents looked like?

I got them from Brian at B.H.B. a few years back.
It's the female that is throwing all kinds of wierd stuff,as when I breed the male to other stuff, the babies appear normal.

Here is the male Ghost/Palomar with a female Mendota.

Next year I might breed a male Mendota to the female Ghost

Kerby...

A few years ago I found out she (Ghost/Palomar) was het for albino when I bred an Albino High White male to her and a couple of albinos popped out............only they had some ORANGE on their bellies.

I am breeding those babies back to each other this year.

Male Albino, het Ghost/Palomar to feamles (double hets, albino & Ghost/Palomar).

Kerby...

Kerby...

I hate to ask but I am rally getting into this stuff. Do you have an adult pic to post of this snake?

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Still has some "orange" on his belly.

His daddy is an Albino High White
His mommy is a Ghost het albino

Some of the other siblings had some orange on them and they weren't albinos.

Here is a pic taken just now showing his belly.....still some "orange"

Kerby...

WOW! Very Nice Kerby. I love the eye candy morphs that are brand new to the hobby. Thanks for the pics and info. Hope to see more in the future posts.

Keep up the great work you are doing with all these new morphs! I hope this year marks some some turn-around from Ball pythons back to colubrids..I don't see why folks would spend money during this reccession for Balls when they can get newer morphs that are easier to keep and breed. Well see!
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I wonder if something similar to the Peanut Butter/Jelly Florida Kings is going on here with these purple guys. That would be really cool. I've got to get a Lavender female to breed my male Ghost Cal to.

I wonder if something similar to the Peanut Butter/Jelly Florida Kings is going on here with these purple guys. That would be really cool.

I was thinking the same thing. But there are so many genes that Kerby is working with that i am trying to follow, it is hard to figure out.
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Exactly. I figured this had crossed your mind as well. Maybe the combo of both albino genes and the ghost gene is doing this somehow. Hopefully time will tell. I'll be breeding my Ghost male which is 66% het albino to an albino. Now I see the need for a lavender female too.

I was trying to figure out if the albino Kerby is referring to is a "true" albino red eye or a different strain of albino lavender.

If it was a het "true" albino my next question was if he ever bred a true albino to the ghost? Or if he ever brede those two strains of albino (lavender and T neg) back to each other.

What i don't understand is why there was only two in a clutch.

Well it is fun always trying to figure these things out.
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**I was trying to figure out if the albino Kerby is referring to is a "true" albino red eye or a different strain of albino lavender.**

True albino, I used an Albino High White male.

**Or if he ever brede those two strains of albino (lavender and T neg) back to each other.**

I've done that as well, doing it this year again (1.2) I get albinos and lavenders from these clutches. I have no idea if I have produced an Albino/Lavender

**What i don't understand is why there was only two in a clutch.**

I do not have an answer, and they are both males. That is why I haven't "labeled" them or "coined" a name for them until I can figure out exactly what they are.

Kerby...

Okay I wasn't sure if a albino high whate male was a t negative or lavender. I forget these things with age.

What I was trying to figure out is if there is some type of shared allele in the first generation like there is with the Peanut Butter and T negative. The Ghost is similar enough ij its weird reccessive trait to make me think it might share and allele with another trait. Probably not, but worth a try.

So did you breed a Ghost to a T negative and an albino? . Just wondering if anything else come out of those initial breeding that was weird?

If not then back to square on. Oh well.
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**What I was trying to figure out is if there is some type of shared allele in the first generation like there is with the Peanut Butter and T negative. The Ghost is similar enough ij its weird reccessive trait to make me think it might share and allele with another trait.**

I don't think so, because....the male Ghost never throws out anything wierd when bred with other recessive genes...BUT the female Ghost does throw wierd stuff (and she is het for albino-maybe other stuff as well)

**So did you breed a Ghost to a T negative and an albino?**

Yes, when I bred the male Ghost with an albino, I got double hets. When I bred the female Ghost with an albino, I got "orange bellies"

When I bred the female Ghost to a Lavender, I got some "purpleish/hypo" looking babies.

When I bred the female Ghost to a Hypo (Great Valley Serpentarium Lavender) I got some "purpleish/hypo" looking babies.

So I don't think it is the Ghost gene specifically...but maybe the female is also het for other stuff?

Kerby...

The Ghost gene by itself may not be allelic with the lavender. But perhaps when combined with two different albino genes, it's causing something interesting to happen here.

When I bred the female Ghost to a Lavender, I got some "purpleish/hypo" looking babies.

So I don't think it is the Ghost gene specifically...but maybe the female is also het for other stuff?

Okay that is interesting. i am glad I asked.

Thanks!
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I also bred the Lavender to the Great Valley Serpentarium (Lavender)...producing double hets.

Kerby...

I also bred the Lavender to the Great Valley Serpentarium (Lavender)...producing double hets.

Do you know how many unrelated lavender albino strains there are? All I remember was the J.D. and J.R. strain. Mind catching me up with what is newer? I am not even familiar with the "GREAT VALLEY SERPENTARIUM" strain.

Sorry for all the dumb questions. I know it is a lot of work explaining and typing. I hope that some people here have the same as questions as me because sometimes I just read over certain things (like the Great vally strain) without really knowing anything about it or other strains of lavender albino..
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Here is a pic of the male that I have...it looks just like the one on Great Valley Serpentariums site and was purchased from there as a baby....I got him from another individual.

Kerby...

Man I like these things.

Thanks for the pics!
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