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I believe that a NEW version of this bill HR669 will be introduced very soon. After a LOT of searching both online and orally, I believe that NRIP will be the compromise offered by some in OUR OWN INDUSTRY. This stands for National Reptile Improvement Plan, and THIS IS NOT GOOD for the average Herper.

I would like to go on record as saying I'M OPPOSED TO NRIP AND EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH IT. This would "white list" certain species to be bred under certain conditions and only financially benefit some "snake and gecko mills" and not allow for investment herp breeders or Joe Herper who breeds a few herps he likes and sells offspring to finance his hobby.

While this bill could very well benefit me, I WILL NOT DESERT MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THIS INDUSTRY FOR MY PERSONAL GAIN!!! NRIP has been secretly in the works for over two years, and I don't believe in coincidences. I'm enclosing a link and would encourage all of you to read it and decide for yourselves. NRIP even casts a bad light on internet sales and reptile shows.

I woke up this morning and feel like I'm in the old Pogo Comic Strip where one of them says "I have met the enemy, and he is us." All of this seems to about some making a LOT OF MONEY, but then most things are about money.

Hang on you rodent breeders, there is a "NATIONAL RODENT IMPROVEMENT PLAN" out there that will have similar consequences. Thanks for reading this.
NRIP MEETING

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Tom Crutchfield
www.tomcrutchfield.com

I also found this link which outlines the purpose and structure of the plan:

NRIP @ PIJAC
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What a big pile of fee's and red tape. It is nobodys business what snakes I want to own or breed, least of all the government or some pinhead with an NRIP nametag on his shirt.

I am getting the snakes and genetics I want to own and breed together now, moving it all down my basement and I am never going to tell another living soul what I am up to...

Once the bureaucrats get involved its over. No Second Amendment to protect your right to keep and own snakes either.

>>What a big pile of fee's and red tape. It is nobodys business what snakes I want to own or breed, least of all the government or some pinhead with an NRIP nametag on his shirt.
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>>I am getting the snakes and genetics I want to own and breed together now, moving it all down my basement and I am never going to tell another living soul what I am up to...
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>>Once the bureaucrats get involved its over. No Second Amendment to protect your right to keep and own snakes either.

I totally agree.

I think I am moving that way too. I guess we are back to being the "crazy snake people", breeding snakes in secret.
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they now know who you are...
all three of you......

.......internet is forever......

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That link is to a 6 year old document that was generated in response to the tick problem in Florida with tortoises.

It has been revised greatly. In a very big way. I am sure we will have the opportunity to review the updated and more workable version soon.
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AMAZON REPTILE CENTER

Thanks, Tom, for keeping us up to date with these issues. I, for one, appreciate it.

If the other group mentioned is going to be supportive of this measure, I don't think I'll be one to join their ranks.

I haven't officially joined any animal or reptile rights groups yet. Not because I'm broke or lazy... simply because I was waiting and watching to see how well aligned with us they actually turn out to be. By "us" I mean the reptile industry/hobby in general and more specifically the smaller, private breeders, keepers and hobbyists.

I'm sorry, but like Tom, I cannot support or endorse regulations that come from outside our community that will severely handicap the general reptile and amphibian keeping public. In other circumstances I might be prone to say, "Let the big boys fend for themselves." However, on issues like this we cannot allow our community to be divided by any definitions. Whether those definitions are financial, geographic or even species specific.. it really doesn't matter. Once an outside group is allowed to chip away at the rights of any member or group of members within our community it will only serve to give them a foothold to begin their attack on those left behind.

Even if a bill like this favors big breeders today if it were to pass it would mean that next time the attacks come (which is a case of "when" not "if" that would mean that the "aggressors" have that many fewer people to oppose them next time. No matter the size of your breeding operation you can only be negatively impacted (either now or in the future) by such legislation.
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Stay United!

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After reading through PIJAC's website it looks to me like it's all a moneymaking scheme for PIJAC.

It looks like they've managed to word it in a way that they can try to convince a large percentage of people that they're doing a good thing and trying to make it so that everyone has access to nothing but clean, healthy herps...but hasn't this always kind of been a self regulating industry? If someone is breeding and selling diseased crap, word gets out among the reptile community and they don't do so well anymore. It looks like a lot of fees and red tape that will shut down a lot of small time breeders, and even have a negative impact on big breeders as well. For example, in all honesty, how many breeders would be able to sell their normal offspring at the current going rate if they had to have extensive vet work done beforehand to prove that their CBB offspring didn't magically acquire ticks from Africa. I know I just barely break even on normal offspring when I sell them, which is fine because I enjoy the process. But if I end up losing 50-100 dollars on every one, I won't be able to do it anymore. I can't believe PIJAC is involved in this. If I'm looking at this all wrong, someone, please, tell me.

I would like to hear who the supposed supporters are from the reptile industry. I can't imagine anyone who keeps and breeds reptiles that would be supportive of this. It would be a heap of red tape and ridiculous regulation just to breed your animals. I am totally for responsible keeping and breeding but this appears to be mainly an attempt to fatten wallets. It would be next to impossible to stay in operation as a hobbiest/small business with these type requirements. What are we going to do about this one guys?
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Dino White

www.whitediamondreptiles.com
dino@whitediamondreptiles.com

Reptile keeping looks to be quickly headed toward a black market. At what point will breeding and sellng be done underground. Many breeders would no doubt get out of the business. Those that are brave enough to continue might actually enjoy easier sales and better profit. For many, the one factor that would make owning exotic reptiles even more exciting would be... IF THEY WERE FORBIDDEN!!!!
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Bill Buchman

thank you for the "heads up" on another attempt to wipe out our community. Strap yourself's in, this is war.

Tom, I appreciate you looking out for "all of us". Thank you "very much".

Sincerely, Kyle

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Kyle
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This hobby is all about breeding snakes. Restricting the right to breed or sell is just as bad banning them all together in my opinion. Can't believe this coming from PIJAC...

Oz
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What have you heard that would lead you to think that dragging out a 6 year old failed program would be something that is now being considered an option by the government?
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Tosha
JET Pythons
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Herp Medicine does not equal a bottle of Baytril - Dr. Scott Stahl

I would think all the hyped up sensationalized news stories that have been out lately that make it seem like feral pythons will be breeding on the front lawn of the whitehouse soon make this a prime time for people to try to push B.S. laws through.

The whole invasive species angle is a red herring pile of crap from these eco-terrorist and their power hungry politician friends. Seventy-five percent of the United States is too cold for these reptiles and amphibians that are native to Australia, Africa and South East Asia to survive in the wild. Also, anytime you hear these folks mention they are doing something for the 'children' hold on to your wallet and the Constitution because they are both going to get slammed.

If it ever gets warm enough for these snakes to survive where the idiots "project" they will end up, we're going to have far worse problems than feral pythons-like massive crop failure and both coasts being under water.

USARK doesn't pretend to know what the position of others is on an HR669 type bill. But let me make our position very clear... USARK is strongly opposed to any compromise that involves a "White List" that will negatively impact the types of animals that can be worked with. We are also strongly opposed to any Federal Permit system to limit "who" can work with certain animals. Any proposals that involve either of these concepts will be opposed in the strongest possible terms by the Reptile Nation.
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Andrew Wyatt
President USARK

I AM IN TOTAL AGREEMENT TO THE POSITION OF USARK....
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Tom Crutchfield
www.tomcrutchfield.com

Hey Tom, Thanks for being a stand up kinda guy from one of the little Joe Herpers.. I hope all the other big guys will take your lead and help to watch out for all breeders and hobbiests as a whole. We are kind of all in the same situation in regards to these attacks on our hobby and of course money machines for some of the bigger guys. We all wrote letters and made calls on the last bill and I would hope everyone will continue to stick together whether they feel it will benefit them specifically or not.. Thanks again..
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JEM from sunny AZ.

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its sad to say but i belive every bill is made to put money in someones pocket one way or another. i read threw pijacs thing and it seems pointless and like you all said seems like a money maker and more work than needed. i see no problem with a breeder needing a licence to breed and to have to be checked on howevr needing to have a vet on call and a special room and all for a private breeder seems a little to much i could see it on the importers but i myself check my snakes for ticks and mites all the time and do not see a need to have someone come look over my sholder to tell me i hve to have a vet ok my reptile i lose money on all my reptiles i do it for the joy of owning reptiles and to help pay for some of my cost and to give others the enjoyment i get out of them. this battle will never end. if it does not pass they will re word it and try sneeking it in some where if it passes next year they will try to take it one step farther and ban something new or anything to try to stop it or make more money. we all need to stick together and try to make it work for us all and not let them take our rights away i appresheate all of your help and updates with links and info as i do not have time to search for all of it as i work 2 jobs then come home to my reptile hobby it leaves me no time
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