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For lack of a better name,Butterblast.This is from a a male butter x female pinstripe.Two babies remain in the eggs one normal and one more butter.Terry

Wow, very nice looking!

Way to go Terry, looks like your gonna start the year out right

WOW!! Very nice!!

Butterblast, What an Absolutly Awe Inspiring Snake. It has that Kingpin sort of look or something like that to it. It will be so interesting to see what they look like as they grow.. Congratulations on a fantastic looking clutch of babies.
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JEM from sunny AZ.

2.19 Normals
5.9 Pastels
3.6 Normal Spiders
1.3 Orange/Butterscotch Ghosts(BallPython777 Mark Petros)
1.1 Spiders 100% het Ghost(thanks Mark Petros)
0.2 Spiders 66% het Ghost
0.3 66% het Orange Ghost
0.1 Pastel Ghost
0.1 Super Pastel 100% het Ghost
1.0 Albino
0.4 100% het for Albino
0.3 50% het for Albino
1.2 100% het for Clowns
1.2 Cinnamons
1.2 100% het for Pied
0.3 66% het for Pied
1.3 Mojaves
1.1 Beautiful Black Pastels(thanks Gulf Coast Reptiles)
1.1 BumbleBees(thanks Marc Bailey)
1.0 Super Pastel
0.1 Chocolates(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.1 Lessers
2.1 Fire's(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.2 High White Calico's(Thanks Brent from BRB)
1.1 SpotNoses(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
0.1 Yellow Belly
1.0 Enchi
1.0 Pinstripe
1.0 Caramel Albino
1.0 Vanilla Ghost(Thanks again GCR for all the great snakes)

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Jay,

It has that kingpin look because as we have discussed many times butters and lessers are the exact same mutation just from different lines. Also how are those snakes doing? Haven't heard from you in awhile.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I told you it looked like a Kingpin....lol. Great talking with you today my friend. I have my fingers crossed on your Pieds, Who was it you said was first in line??? Hummm I'm trying to remember.
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JEM from sunny AZ.

2.19 Normals
5.9 Pastels
3.6 Normal Spiders
1.3 Orange/Butterscotch Ghosts(BallPython777 Mark Petros)
1.1 Spiders 100% het Ghost(thanks Mark Petros)
0.2 Spiders 66% het Ghost
0.3 66% het Orange Ghost
0.1 Pastel Ghost
0.1 Super Pastel 100% het Ghost
1.0 Albino
0.4 100% het for Albino
0.3 50% het for Albino
1.2 100% het for Clowns
1.2 Cinnamons
1.2 100% het for Pied
0.3 66% het for Pied
1.3 Mojaves
1.1 Beautiful Black Pastels(thanks Gulf Coast Reptiles)
1.1 BumbleBees(thanks Marc Bailey)
1.0 Super Pastel
0.1 Chocolates(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.1 Lessers
2.1 Fire's(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.2 High White Calico's(Thanks Brent from BRB)
1.1 SpotNoses(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
0.1 Yellow Belly
1.0 Enchi
1.0 Pinstripe
1.0 Caramel Albino
1.0 Vanilla Ghost(Thanks again GCR for all the great snakes)

17 Tarantulas
Last but most Important 2.2 Children

Oh, by the way. Look at the posts down here. Dont tell anyone else that a Lesser and a Butter are the same thing.. They might hold you responsible for the war in Iraq...lol. Talk to you soon my friend..
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JEM from sunny AZ.

2.19 Normals
5.9 Pastels
3.6 Normal Spiders
1.3 Orange/Butterscotch Ghosts(BallPython777 Mark Petros)
1.1 Spiders 100% het Ghost(thanks Mark Petros)
0.2 Spiders 66% het Ghost
0.3 66% het Orange Ghost
0.1 Pastel Ghost
0.1 Super Pastel 100% het Ghost
1.0 Albino
0.4 100% het for Albino
0.3 50% het for Albino
1.2 100% het for Clowns
1.2 Cinnamons
1.2 100% het for Pied
0.3 66% het for Pied
1.3 Mojaves
1.1 Beautiful Black Pastels(thanks Gulf Coast Reptiles)
1.1 BumbleBees(thanks for the AWESOME Bees Marc Bailey)
1.0 Super Pastel
0.1 Chocolates(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.1 Lessers
2.1 Fire's(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.2 High White Calico's(Thanks Brent from BRB)
1.1 SpotNoses(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
0.1 Yellow Belly
1.0 Enchi
1.0 Pinstripe
0.1 Lemon Blast
1.0 Caramel Albino
1.0 Vanilla Ghost(Thanks again GCR for all the great snakes)

17 Tarantulas
Last but most Important 2.2 Children

congrats!

just a question though........

lesser x pinstirpe = kingpin

butter x pinstripe = ?????

butter x pinstripe x pastel = emperor pin

many say that butter and lesser are one in the same. your baby looks very much like a kingpin.

how many clutches you have cooking still?

Pitoon

I believe the original post says that

Butter X Pinstripe = Butterblast

Regardless of the name those are some fat healthy looking hatchlings!!!
Jbugg

yeah i read his post.........and that's what "he's" calling it.

however i was curious to know is there a name that has been already linked to this combo.

butter x pinny = ??????

Pitoon

Google it........... There doesn't seem to be a name.... Its a pinstripe butter cross.... A pastel pinstripe cross is called a lemonblast even when its not a lemon pastel... So I would say a logical answer if you want a nickname for a butter pinstripe cross it would be a ButterBlast.... Also if you compare a lesser next to a butter the difference is very apparent.
Jbugg

Also if you compare a lesser next to a butter the difference is very apparent.................

some say this........some say that........at the end they produce the same outcome no matter how you look at it.

both produce a BEL.........(even when bred together)
both produce a similar looking combo when bred to pinn.........

are they the same? maybe........ mabye not

in my opinion they are, just different lines.........like the caramels..........like the pastels..........like the cinnies.........like the black pastels..........

not every snake looks alike..........each one is different on it's own.

i see this........you see that?!?!?!

Pitoon

Butters, Lessers, lines of caramels, lines of pastels, cinnis, black pastels, they all have DIFFERENT names because they are DIFFERENT morphs even tho some are more suddle then others................... The only thing that is alike with all of them are they are ball pythons......... That's my opinion.........

I see this.......... Can you see this???????

you trying to tell me that a NERD lemon pastel is so different from Graziani pastel...............................................................................

a pastel is a pastel.........that's that.

and as for caramels.............ghosts or some would say hypos.........are the same just with a different name (except for the Crider line of caramel.........but is that even a caramel.......it doesn't have ready eyes.........yet it's recessive.

what i see is that you're locked into names............verse what the animal really is............a pastel is a pastel no matter what name you put in front of it...........same as a hypo.........etc

if you talk about axanthics then yes i would say diffrent lines becuase not all are compatible.

Pitoon

YES SIR... Since you are the genetic genius.. So when that spider clutch your incubating hatchs if the lesser was the father u can't call them lesserbees.. Because how can you be sure your lesser is realy a lesser it may be a mojave or a butter even tho the person you bought it from said it was a lesser.. And your spider female actually may be a calico because spiders and calicos look similar.. And I guess a black pastel and a enchi pastel and a lemon pastel are just all the same thing with different names.. MORPHS HAVE NAMES FOR A REASON SO THEY CAN BE IDENTIFIED!!! Even if they produce the same thing there is obviously enough difference for them to be named different.. And if you want a break go take one it will not change reality...

Ok, "lines" of different morphs are not separate morphs. Lemons and grazianis and bells "tend" to have a certain distinct look, but it is still the same mutation at the same locus and some "lines" look nothing like they are supposed to.

Referring to a line of morph is only helpful when referring to axanthics (which are really different morphs altogether) or when describing the heritage or particular look of an animal. But in the end, it's the same morph.

jbugg,
i'm not claiming to be a genius.....however i am smarter than the average donkey. as for my lesser...........i didn't buy him from a backyard breeder. i got him from one of the top breeders there in the US personally here in europe.

i call mine a lesser.........because that's what he sold it to me as. if it were a butter i would call it a butter. they are the same no matter how you look at it. the whole reason why they have different names is because they came out from two different breeders (different lines....same morph). when someone has a new morph they immediately want to name it something different, introduce it to the market to MAKE money

and when you are talking about will the offspring be mojavebees from my clutch......you are comparing oranges to apples (mojaves look nothing like a lesser/butter).........i never said that a mojave creates a BEL........their super is nothing the same as to a lesser/butter and that's REALITY. the whole subject was on lessers/butters and same morphs with line names.

MORPHS HAVE NAMES FOR A REASON SO THEY CAN BE IDENTIFIED...........i agree, but maybe you never thought of those names to be marketing ploys????? if you can't see that you should take a marketing class. haven't you noticed that the newer morphs that have came out in the past few years are referred to by just a name alone and no long by a "line".........think about it.

no matter how anyone looks at it. ball python morphs is a business. and remember this.......a person with a substantial amount of snakes...........and breeds them.........and says they do it because they love the hobby........don't let them fool you they are in it to make money. reptiles are a big market. who in their right mind wants more than a couple of snakes if they are just into the hobby.

Pitoon

I wish someone would post a lesser X butter clutch its pretty clear who is who.............. Butters are more lighter and yellow, lessers are a little bit darker brown................ Google some pictures of adults the difference is more evident........... As far as pastels go different lineage means they are different even tho they produce the same thing.........

FROM YOUR LAST POST......

""i call mine a lesser.........because that's what he sold it to me as. if it were a butter i would call it a butter. they are the same no matter how you look at it. the whole reason why they have different names is because they came out from two different breeders (different lines....same morph). when someone has a """"""""""NEW MORPH"""""""""""""""" they immediately want to name it something different, introduce it to the market to MAKE money""

A NEW MORPH SHOULD GET A NEW NAME!!!!! IF YOUR FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO PRODUCE SOMETHING """NEW""" PLEASE PLEASE TRADE MARK THE HECK OUT OF IT!!! ITS YOUR RIGHT AS THE CREATOR!! AND THE LAST LINE IN YOUR COMMENT ABOVE SAYS """"INTRODUCE IT TO THE MARKET TO MAKE MONEY?????""" I DON'T BELIEVE PEOPLE BY SNAKES BECAUSE OF THE NAME PEOPLE BUY SNAKES FOR THE SNAKES ITS SELF....

""""""""no matter how anyone looks at it. ball python morphs is a business. and remember this.......a person with a substantial amount of snakes...........and breeds them.........and says they do it because they love the hobby........don't let them fool you they are in it to make money. reptiles are a big market. who in their right mind wants more than a couple of snakes if they are just into the hobby."""""""""""

I'M HOPING THIS IS JUST YOUR OPINION AND YOUR NOT TRYING TO MAKE A STATEMENT THERE IS A THING CALLED COLLECTING AND A LOT OF BREEDERS WITH A LOT OF SNAKES DON'T JUST DO IT FOR THE MONEY ASK THEM THIS VENTURE DOESN'T PAY VERY WELL!!!!!!! A LOT IF NOT MOST DO IT FOR THE LOVE OF BALL PYTHONS THEY ARE ADDICTIVE!!!!!!!!!

THIS WILL BE MY LAST POST OF THIS THREAD...
JBUGG

For the rest of the info scroll up to my previous post..............
Jbugg

the reason lessers and butters have different names is because oh how they were originally reproduced. When Ralph imported the founding platty nobody new there were 2 genes involved. When the first clutches were hatched sired by the platty, the babies were similar to the platty but not quite there so Ralph named them lessers, thinking that maybe the platty was the super version. During this time, Ralph also imported an animal similar to the Butter that the Bell's were working with so he followed suit by naming it that.

I will say that I have seen some stunning Butters that have tons of yellow in them. These butters were from very selectively bred collections. I have also seen some butters with almost no yellow in them and were very earthy brown.

I've also seen some lessers that had almost neon yellow tones to them. These lessers were also selectively bred for high yellow. Basically that is why most people now consider them to be the same morph just different lines. The problem some have with the naming issue is that it can become confusing once these combos get to the 4-5 gene situation to no what is in what. But also if you are a purest and want to know what line your morph is removing the butter or lesser tag could make it possible to loose track of what line one is working with.

With all of that said I bet anyone I can throw 10 lessers out of a RDR lesser with 10 butters from a Bell line butter in one tub and nobody could pick them all out correctly.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

For the record......... Yes there is a lot of variety in butters and lessers.. But now your talking about quality not classification.. I have seen amazingly bright lessers and extremely dark low quality butters. BUT FOR THE MOST PART butters are more yellow, and lessers seem to be more of a brown is their exceptions SURE but that goes to quality not classification...Look at pastels some are easily identified by color to be pastels while others are extremely dull colored and you have to rely on the pattern. That's why some people refer to pastels as jungle pastels....

again this is misinformation. the term pastel jungle or jungle pastel refers to the original morph that was created and coined that. it just happened over the years that the term jungle was dropped out of laziness. some people still call them pastel jungles but it is the exact same morph. some people save the term "jungle" for those pastels that have exceedingly crazy patterns but technically no jungle trait has proven to be genetic at this time on a reliable basis (some through selective line breeding but not on a recessive or dom/codom basis).

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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

exactly.......same goes for the cinny pastel.....which just goes by cinny now...........and lesser platinum...........which just goes by lesser.

Pitoon

excellent post.......that's just to show you how some people will see a cup filled with water halfway

is it half full?

or

is it half empty?

oh yeah.............lesser and a butter are the same morph, but that's my opinion.

Pitoon

Very nice, can't wait to see them after they shed.
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Hector

Thanks for all of the comments.My line of snakes are butters named by the one that started them.I am not the first to produce the butter x pinstripe.As I stated before for lack of a better name Butterblast.Sorry if this offends anyone.Terry

The butter is very similar in appearance to a lesser, however the butters have more yellow coloration in the patterns. The yellow becomes stronger as they mature, where the lesser's yellow becomes "less" as they mature...

Hey Terry, I am sure you are better at this than I am because of the combo you put out but can you tell me since I am a relative newbie at this what I could realistically expect by breeding my female Lemon Blast to my Lesser male? pretty much the same thing you came up with here wouldnt it be? Thanks
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JEM from sunny AZ.

2.19 Normals
5.9 Pastels
3.6 Normal Spiders
1.3 Orange/Butterscotch Ghosts(BallPython777 Mark Petros)
1.1 Spiders 100% het Ghost(thanks Mark Petros)
0.2 Spiders 66% het Ghost
0.3 66% het Orange Ghost
0.1 Pastel Ghost
0.1 Super Pastel 100% het Ghost
1.0 Albino
0.4 100% het for Albino
0.3 50% het for Albino
1.2 100% het for Clowns
1.2 Cinnamons
1.2 100% het for Pied
0.3 66% het for Pied
1.3 Mojaves
1.1 Beautiful Black Pastels(thanks Gulf Coast Reptiles)
1.1 BumbleBees(thanks Marc Bailey)
1.0 Super Pastel
0.1 Chocolates(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.1 Lessers
2.1 Fire's(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.2 High White Calico's(Thanks Brent from BRB)
1.1 SpotNoses(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
0.1 Yellow Belly
1.0 Enchi
1.0 Pinstripe
0.1 Lemon Blast
1.0 Caramel Albino
1.0 Vanilla Ghost(Thanks again GCR for all the great snakes)

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Yes and you could get lesser pastels also.Good luck with that project.Terry

great job terry on the butter blast keep up the good work, if everybody liked this clutch wait till next year when you will WOW them with that crazy combo we talked about haha

Congrats Terry