Reptile & Amphibian Forums

hr 669 would make it illegal to possess,sell,offer for sale,Trade,give away or breed any non native species not on a approved list!

non native means from any other country even if they are bred and raised here!
its funny they let illegal immigrants cross the border all day long with all kinds of hidieous pathogens yet they want to destroy our hobby when we have been following all their crazy rules and fees!

florida congressmen have signed on this bill

they are

rep Ileana Roslehtinen{18} 202-225-3913
rep lincolin Diaz-Blalart [21] 202-225-4211
rep ron Klein [22]202-225-3026
rep alice hastings [23]202-225-1313

are we doomed?

B
-----
Bud

Budman the bill was defeated.
-----
Archie Bottoms

It was NOT defeated just put on hold while it's rewritten. If we all band together we will defeat it in time. For now we have a brief time to get ready to write letters, call, etc. again....
-----
Tom Crutchfield
www.tomcrutchfield.com

I misunderstood my bad.This bill is insain.
-----
Archie Bottoms

I could not sleep after reading it
-----
Bud

You know, I spent a good chunk of time calling offices to voice my opposition to this bill. I continue to stay followed up on the bill and read the reports which lead to the major concerns and try and think how my efforts are best used in fighting this. I teach wildlife classes and inform parents wanting to get their child their first pet reptile about this bill and the potential harm it has as it is written.

But then I see this...

"its funny they let illegal immigrants cross the border all day long with all kinds of hidieous pathogens yet they want to destroy our hobby when we have been following all their crazy rules and fees!"

...and I wonder if my efforts really need to be focused in another direction. I mean how dare they attack an honest hobby when they "allow" people with nothing more than hopes to provide food for their starving children by working hard in grotesque jobs provided because the incentive of greed lies over here with people aiming for cheaper labor.

sorry to make a example of the hipocracy with rules that might prevent pathogens or exotics taking hold and destroying our ecosystem or worse.

Yes as far as we are told the exotics are innocent and just looking for a better life but as you know the truth is somtimes far from what we are told.

the border desert and our mainland has been under seige from these exotics and the damage is visible everywhere garbage diapers water bottles plastic bags ect..
not all are as innocent as you have been led to belive.
yet as long as we are complacent to this invasion that has taken place it will continue.
our hospitals are swamped to the max with illegals getting FREE treatments that we as citizens would not ever get .

I could go on and on but you love them and are willing to give up everything we hold dear just to let them in to take up so called jobs that nobody would take.
but let me ask who did these jobs before the invasion of the exotics?
we did!
so cut the whining and trying to legitimize the invasion.

Why stop our legal and licensed hobby of tending to exotics
and then protect the exotics that are taking hold and coming over here daily destroying our economy.

I am looking at reality not a touchy feely reality .
ban no exotics or ban them all!

or just ban our legitimate licesed hobby yes
we just might deserve it since we have no clue about invading exotics!

ps I have had mexican girlfriends and speak spanish. lived in the zone yet this is not enough?

please enlighten me as to why one exotic deserves special treatment when there is no war and why I am bad for exposing it.

B
-----
Bud

I am certainly not going to go too deep here on an animal related forum, but I had to comment on your attempt to tie it in.

Listen, I am all for some alteration, but your comparison is over the top and would get nowhere in the prevention of this bill moving forward.

I am by no means a "save the world, bleeding heart, liberal" or a "gun totin', they took our jobs redneck either"...politics is little more than entertainment for me usually. But people freaked out over a common seasonal illness because it was "exotic" and we had never seen it before.

Heck, the country was found on immigration, and if we actually look at it...it was found on bringing new diseases and theft of land. I'd say current situations are pretty mild with a common cold and some ER access without prepay lol : )

I tend to think we have less of a border issue and more of a greedy employer issue. I actually have a good friend who employed a lot of lower pay jobs locally for a long time, but he hired one illegal in quick need, and when efficiency increased, the temptation was pretty hard to pass up for someone all about the bucks. But he also had a huge respect for a hard work ethic, and he saw people who had something to work for. In a way, it is admirable to give the job to someone who wants it badly and needs it. But it is without a doubt an economic problem when people do this. But who is to blame... you have a wealthy business owner looking to move his business forward and provide work for people in need, and you have people in need wanting to work their hearts out to provide for their family. I admire both end whole heartedly, but I can say one could survive without the other. So why not, lets blame snakes : )

Trust me; the incentive to come to my home town isn't the weather or all the free handouts. It's work.

We could chat on this all day, but this would get deleted unless we keep it on HR 669, which this topic never will. But I was working to keep this off the books. Feel free to hit me a private message and I'll even give you my cell phone if ya want to chat more.

Does having a Mexican girlfriend level it out? I might consider that a small step up from acknowledging Jessica Alba is hot : ) Thomas Jefferson had mixed race kids...

This bill was pulled from the calendar in committee because it could not muster sufficient support. The author, who is the Congressional delegate from Guam, Madeline Bordallo, will likely try to revive it at some point. The Florida supporters are responding to the Burmese pythons in the Everglades issue. Additional calls and letters to members of Congress will not hurt . . . they do bank these and refer to them if and when a bill comes to the floor. Right now I would expect the bill to lie dormant for a while but it could be revived as an amendment to some other measure. The best argument against it to most members of Congress is that this is an issue best left to the states and localities, not one for mpre federal involvement. Asa herper who is also a senior aide to a member of Congress, I will be watching the bill and let people know what happens.