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CB 09 Axanthic and snow plains pics

Scott_felzer May 12, 2009 09:16 PM

These guys were born 5/12/2009, they were produced from an axanthic male bred to a Iowa snow female. There were 10 Iowa snows, 7 axanthics (possible super axanthics) and 2 stilborns that were produced. Pictured are two of the 09 axanthic babies and an adult female axanthic. Cool thing w/ the axanthics is that they are co-dom, and breeding a snow to an axanthic possibly creates a super axanthic, needs to be proved out though. This morph has a vibrant blue at the bottom of the body, you can see the blue in the adult's photo pretty well.

Scott
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Albino Garter Snake

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Scott_felzer May 12, 2009 09:19 PM

First pic is a group shot, second is of actual female that produced the offspring and third is a male snow.

Scott
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Albino Garter Snake

leehafley May 13, 2009 09:40 AM

confused is me.
was the AX het snow ??and how can they be poss supers if it was not a AX breed to a AX??
CONGRATS ON WHAT LOOKS TO BE A VERY GOOD YEAR!!!
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garter snake morphs easterns/checkereds/floridas/redsides
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1.1 super kids Memfis Lance and Linda May(co-dom)

Scott_felzer May 14, 2009 10:01 AM

Need to clarify this bloodline, after a discussion w/ Jeff (thanks for your help Jeff !) on the genetics, most likely the axanthic was a het snow (as it originally came from) which is why snows were produced. The babies are actually double het for blizzard, most likely the axanthic male that produced the clutch is a blizzard but is masked by the axanthicism (which is co-dom).
Any genetic experts want to give their opinion on this would be great !

Scott

These guys were born 5/12/2009, they were produced from an axanthic male bred to a Iowa snow female. There were 10 Iowa snows, 7 axanthics (possible super axanthics) and 2 stilborns that were produced. Pictured are two of the 09 axanthic babies and an adult female axanthic. Cool thing w/ the axanthics is that they are co-dom, and breeding a snow to an axanthic possibly creates a super axanthic, needs to be proved out though. This morph has a vibrant blue at the bottom of the body, you can see the blue in the adult's photo pretty well.
Albino Garter Snake

boxienuts May 15, 2009 12:08 PM

Let me just add that I also think it is likely that the parental father axanthic was actually quite possibly a blizzard (one copy axanthic(dominant)and two copies of both albino and anery). And that also all of the axanthic babies, while they are all phenotypically axanthic because the axanthic gene is dominant over wild type, it is also dominant in relation to the albino gene, they are likely genotypically blizzards, since all of the siblings are snows and no albinos were produced. Interestingly as well the axanthic gene might also be an allele that is at the same loci as the anerythristic, as Scott informed me that one of his original breedings of a axanthic to an anerythristic, produced axanthics and anerythristics, which would indicate that those anery offspring were in fact genotypically one copy of anery and one copy of axanthic, as anery is recessive and the parent could have only donated one copy. This is similar to the relationship of stripe and motley gene in corn snakes. Scott and I are working out breeding trials that will beyond any shadow of doubt prove both of these theories out.
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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com

Scott_felzer May 16, 2009 10:57 AM

Thanks for the info Jeff, genetics can be complicated and it is great to have a go to guy who can explain things as they "could and should" be. Anyone w/ genetic questions, Jeff is a great person to ask btw.

Scott

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Albino Garter Snake

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