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My recent DH Snow x TH Moonglow litter produced three white babies. With help from Ryan Decaro, I now know what they are....

This Female is a Moonglow....

This female is a Snow....

And this Male is also a Snow......

Talk about subtle differences!!!!!

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

That is subtle ,it appears to come down to pinch saddles on the Moonglow as compared to snow.
Although tail splotch color and border might be different in person.
I can't tell from these pics really.
Nice babies Dave !

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

The tail splotch is almost identical, comes down to pinched saddles and the speckling on the backs.

Admittedly, this is the frst time I've ever seen hatchling Snows. And the first time I've ever seen a Snow and a Moonglow together at the same time where I could study the differences.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Those really are subtle! The first female really stands out as a moonglow with the pinched saddles but I could have seen the other two go either way, esp. that male, I thought that was a 'glow!

I'm looking forward to the pics of this new 'glow next to Luna! You could call the new girl Eclipse. heh
They are all lovely!
-April
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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

LOL, already had one....didn't come out right, not so yellow in person.....

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Very nice Dave!
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Kenny Bowman

"Symetry Exotics"
Honesty is my only way, you dont like it? Sorry!

So cool! They are subtle differences, but all beautiful. I love the headshot on the moonglow. Would love to see shots of those as they grow! Congrats on those!
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Cheers,
Jessica
10.15 Ball Pythons; 8.9 Corn Snakes; 0.0.1 Green Tree Python
2.2 Jungle Carpet Pythons
6.6.1 Bci
3.0 Crazy Dogs and 2.0 cats
Some Tropical Fish
...........and growing!

Dave,

First of all, congrats! You had a great litter. I was not going to say anything on your previous post but I was thinking those "moonglows" looked a lot like "snows". Anyway, you got it worked out. You are having a heck of a year. You will have to sell one of those moonglows to afford to feed all those babies you have!

Good job again!

Robert Baker
Baker's Boas

I have to agree with Mr Baker. Kinda looks like snows. I never seen a moonglow that actually has 'color'.

Dave this in reference to the response I gave on your last Moonglow post. I was simply giving you my description of a Moonglow as asked... Nothing intended other than that...

The Moonglow you have posted here pretty much matches the description I gave down below, to me this Moonglow appears to have light lavender colored saddles along with a very light yellow body color! To me white is like fresh snow (not yellow snow ) or a blank sheet of paper.

It seems some people like to say how much whiter Moonglows are over Snows, which in all reality isn't so... I've actually seen whiter Snows in which I own one, she's a female that's due in 3 weeks. I don't know her back ground other than she's an 05 and I purchased her from Ian D. back in 07, she's white with a hint of light yellow. She's more white than some of the Moonglows I've seen and in reality she's not even white!

If there 'IS' a pure white or even a dirty white Moonglow or Snow out there LET IT BE SEEN!!!

I'm not into heated debates or really voicing my opinion on things or even arguing for that matter... So I'll butt out on this...

Comparison shots
1st pic is 05 Snow
2nd pic is Moonglow x Albino Arab het Snow
3rd pic is 05 Snow

Very nice looking Moonglow Dave!

Chaz

Chaz how dare you jk

Seriously, I really appreciate all the input. I was not aware it was so hard to tell them apart. At a quick glance it's clear they all are cut from the same cloth.

"to me this Moonglow appears to have light lavender colored saddles along with a very light yellow body color"

is a very apt description of all three.

I think the "white" is not really tied to Moonglow. More of the other genetics in the animal being less yellow to begin with. Just speculation but maybe some of the early Moonglows came from low yellow expression animals. Will be interesting to see how they turn out. Planing on holding back the female Moonglow and male Snow.

Again, thanks for your input, I'm still learning!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

No prob Dave! Just giving you a hard time...
I was just wandering if you noticed my reply,that's all...
Thanks,
Chaz

I had noticed and that along with other input had me looking deeper into it. Glad I did or I could have mis-represented (sold) one of the Snows as a Moonglow.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Good post Chaz. Nice pics and animals! I agree, all moonglows(hypo snows or snowglows), and snows(regardless of Kahl or Sharp strain) will yellow up- some more than others. I've seen quite a bit of variation in different snows in how clean they are and how much they yellow up and adding the hypo gene doesn't remove the yellow!

Thanks Shane,
I'm glad to see there's other people that noticed this about the Moonglows & Snows... For a while I felt like I was taking crazy pillzzz, oh wait, I am....kidding!..... or am I? excuse the goofiness

Seriously though thanks for the complements and the reply!

Chaz Neely

Hey Chaz, rest assured, the crazy pills you're on had nothing to do with it!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

shwewww!!! Boy am I glad!

Thanks for the laugh,

Chaz

Makes total sense to me,

Anery - blocks red
Albino - Blocks black
Hypo - IMO converts some of the black to red

Nowhere in any of that is "Yellow" mentioned or affected other than letting it show through, ie not masked by darker colors!!!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

So if anything Dave, they should be more of a white-ish to lavender-ish. Kind of like they are at birth, but then they yellow out.

I have a couple projects I'm working on, that will hopefully keep them more on the lavender-ish side and very little to no yellow. Same goes with the Snows, but with them, more of a very light pink and white. Who knows, it's all just theory or guessing until proven otherwise...

I guess I'll see in a couple years if all goes well!

Chaz