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How many different types of hypo bullsnakes are there??? I picked up a pair at the show in Orlando last weekend. I know they are not the hypo stillwaters. How many others are currently out there?

I will try to post pics tommorow.

Jeff-

To my knowledge there is only one type of "standard" hypo bullsnake in the hobby. Though it is called one, to my mind the Stillwater hypo is not really a true "hypo" gene, since the black (melanin) pigment is intensified in some parts of the pattern, rather than diluted.
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Brad Chambers
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The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

There are two lineages of "bright colored" bullsnakes sold under the term hypo: the lineage descended from normals purchased at the Stillwater Round-up and descendednts from the Colorado line of hypomelanism. I also agree that the Stillwater "hypo" is a bit of a misnomer, but it is recognized by that name.

That means 2 for the short answer, and evidence says that they are NOT allelic.
KJ
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KJUN Snakehaven
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As you know KJ, You and I have had this conversation before.

Trade names as versus actual proven genetic traits. I hate tyhem being used as much as I know you do, but unfortunately people insist on using the terms such as hypo etc pretty loosely.

I would suggest to you that there are a number of light colored, reduced black pigment lines of bulls out there in the market place. Such as the Yellow Bulls we have color bred for so many years. Are these bright yellow nearly lacking all black genetic hypos? In my opinion they are not. But merely strains and/or locales of animals that have developed lighter coloration for any one of a number of reasons.

From the standpoint of genetics these animals do not react as you would genetically expect a hypo to as we find in corns etc.

Also as you know we are working with the hypo’s that periodically appear in the Trumbower line of bulls when he was looking to produce the first “Snow Bull” (Whiteside Albino). These animals appear to be acting the way genetic hypos should, but it will take a couple more years to prove it out.

I wish there was some way we could turn back the hands of time and call things what they are as versus trade names and use the terms hypo, snow etc. etc. to specifically to refer to genetically specific animals. But alas I afraid the genie is already out of the bag and will not go back in.

Attached is a clutch picture of trumbower bulls, the trumbower hypo and the resultant neonate from that hypo being bred to a normal bull.

Cherryville Farms

Took a few pics yesterday during out minor break in the rain. Opinions???

First Up the Female

Now the Male