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I'm feeling happy to get 2 good Black Head Python eggs... but bummed on the sluggage.

Doug T

Doug Taylor Reptiles

They all look good to me!

Really, Doug, bummer on the slugs and good luck on the good ones. Have you candled them to make sure they're fertile?
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Mike Curtin

Yes, I've candled them and there are veins in the good looking eggs.

Doug T

>>They all look good to me!
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>>Really, Doug, bummer on the slugs and good luck on the good ones. Have you candled them to make sure they're fertile?
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>>"He who would stifle debate rather than engage in it, does so at the expense of his integrity and credibility"
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>>Mike Curtin

Doug Taylor Reptiles

Good to hear...best of luck.
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Mike Curtin

Get them into a different container so you don't expose them to the crap that will soon be growing on those slugs.

The only thing in the incubator now is the good ones. The slugs are in the yard and hopefully the local raccoons will find them and enjoy them.

Doug T

>>Get them into a different container so you don't expose them to the crap that will soon be growing on those slugs.

A healthy egg will not die from a bad egg next to it. Not even attached to it. Eggs have their own defense against bacteria.

That is not true at all. I have seen fungus take over and kill several healthy FERTILE clutches.

An egg's immune system is rudimentary at best. I have seen fungal stuff go both ways. Sometimes I have seen fertile eggs go totally green and fuzzy and still hatch out a healthy baby. Other times I have seen one little dot of mold kill an egg instantly.

It has to do with the pathogenicity of the individual fungus. Some invade the shell others stay on the surface, some produce toxins and others don't, some grow densely and don't allow the egg to breathe and others grow tightly or invade the shell and suffocate the egg, and most importantly some are very fast growing and invasive.

If it is easy and convenient like it was with separate eggs in this case there is NO reason to put good eggs at risk.

I had a coastal carpet clutch that went south this year. The female had laid more infertiles than I had realized and the good ones were killed during MI. This is one clutch I wish I had pulled to seperate.
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Mike Curtin

I guess Dr. Richard Ross is wrong, then.

Would be the first time......or the last.

D.

Meant to say....wouldN'T be the first time...and won't be the last.

D.

My personal experience has been that it really doesn't affect a healthy egg, but then again....

In maternal incubation, do they all go bad when one does?

No they don't always do anything.

With maternal incubation OR in an incubator you frequently end up in a race between a pathogen and how fast the eggs can hatch. Sometimes you lose none and sometimes you lose them all. I even remember reading somewhere (I wish I could remember where) that babies will try to hatch earlier in the presence of a pathogen.

Then there's always the question of how many bad eggs. In the presence of one or two, I wouldn't be overly concerned...there were more than one or two pictured. Especially in the case of BHP eggs when the bad eggs are obviously bad and easily removed, there is NO reason for the added risk.
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"He who would stifle debate rather than engage in it, does so at the expense of his integrity and credibility"

Mike Curtin

The yokes on you

That's bummer Doug..............................................?

Well, there's 2......better than nothin'.

D.

Sorry about your luck Doug. Can you tell us the specifics of this pairing?? Age of both, how many females the male courted, how you cycled them, and their size?? I am just super curious about BHP's right now and more info is better.

Weird how you posted your female rolling the day after mine did and then eggs with in a couple days.

Jason