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Finally my triple het for butter stripe bred by the same laid 16 good looking eggs, interestingly a week earlier shed laid 1 dud, I guess she knew it wasn't any good and decided to drop the dead weight and free up some space for the others. Hoping that with 16 eggs, this year I will hit the odds and produce a butter stripe to hold back.

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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com

That's a good-looking clutch, Jeff.
Good luck on having a Butter Stripe hatch out.
You should get some mighty interesting results from that breeding.

Tim

Best of luck on getting the Striped Butter!

Regardless though, I am looking forward to the variety that you hatch out!

thanks guys, the variety should look like last years 11 (photo below of 08 clutch) but maybe with 16 eggs this time I will get lucky and there will be even more variety and a butter stripe in there as well. now the 2 month long anticipation filled wait till they hatch, I hate the wait, but when the day of pipping comes, it makes it all worth the wait.

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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com

Seriously, you need to post that photo every time you make a post. My eyes pop out of my head every time I see it! In fact I started a breeding project just to try to do the same thing, so yeah, I'm kind of copying you on this one. I bred a Striped Mot to a Butter Mot..just to try to get clutches similar to what you have posted in my F1 generation down the road. That's how much that photo impresses me. Keep it up, and seriously, you breeding those two snakes together just produces outstanding results!!!

I appreciate that, it certainly is a fun clutch to watch hatch, every new pipping it's like OK what do we have here? I was planning to sell that adult pair of triple hets this summer after eggs, but that might end up being hard for me to do, because they are good breeders. As far as the breeding that you are doing quoted below:
"I bred a Striped Mot to a Butter Mot..just to try to get clutches similar to what you have posted in my F1 generation down the road."
You probably figured this out already but just want to reaffirm with you that of those relulting babies you get from that breeding you will want to keep a pair of the visually normal looking ones, and sell off any motleys or motley stripes, because it is the phenotype normals that will be the more valuable breeders to you, because genotypically they will be the ones that are triple hets and give you more variety in their subsequent clutches, and if you get lucky one will be het motley,amel,carmel and the other het stripe,amel,carmel, because when you will breed those two back you would get even more variety than my clutch because you would also have a copy of motley in the mix, but of course you won't find that out until you breed them.
That initial breeding you are doing will actually be really good for you because you can sell off the visuals that most people would rather buy and keep the normals for yourself because they are more valuable to yourself as breeders, it's a win-win breeding for sure.
Best of luck
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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com

Thanks for the advice.

I didn't think that there would be any normally patterned ones from breeding a Striped Mot to a Mot, I thought that the offspring would be 1/2 Striped Mots and 1/2 Mots. Was I wrong in my calculations?

Regardless, I am keeping a lot of babies from this pairing for future breeders. At least 2.4 of them, maybe all of them. We'll see.

Thanks, and best of luck on getting that Striped Butter this season!

Oh jeeze, I'm terribly sorry, you are very right about the pattern results for your breeding, I must have been tired when I wrote that,lol. You would probably actually want to use the motleys that have more stripe look in hopes that they have one copy motley and one copy stripe, you won't get any normal patterns in either generation, but you could get both motleys and stripes of the different colors that way. Sounds like a great project.
Best of luck
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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com

Lol...that's ok Jeff, happens to best of us at times.

Actually, I was thinking about holding back a good number of the striped motleys. The F1 generation should give:

8/64, Striped Motley, Het for Butter
4/64, Striped, Het for Butter
4/64, Striped Motley, Het for Amel
4/64, Striped Motley, Het for Caramel
4/64, Striped Motley, Amelanistic, Het for Caramel
4/64, Striped Motley, Caramel, Het for Amel
4/64, Motley, Het for Butter
2/64, Striped Motley
2/64, Motley, Het for Amel
2/64, Striped, Het for Amel
2/64, Butter, Striped Motley
2/64, Motley, Het for Caramel
2/64, Striped Motley, Caramel
2/64, Amelanistic, Motley, Het for Caramel
2/64, Striped, Het for Caramel
2/64, Caramel, Motley, Het for Amel
2/64, Amelanistic, Striped, Het for Caramel
2/64, Striped Motley, Amelanistic
2/64, Caramel, Striped, Het for Amel
1/64, Amelanistic, Striped
1/64, Caramel, Striped
1/64, Caramel, Motley
1/64, Amelanistic, Motley
1/64, Striped
1/64, Butter, Motley
1/64, Motley
1/64, Butter, Striped

That's plenty of variety to keep me excited!

beautiful white eggs. Always a great sight. Congrats and best of luck with the odds
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****Misty****

www.sneakyserpents.com

"Due to intense Mind fog, all thoughts have been grounded."

Thanks Misty as you know thats a whole bunch of coin flips that all have to come up heads, six to be exact, 1/64 eeeeeeeek, not good odds really.
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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com

But definitly good enough to be woth the effort! Just the sheer variety out of one clutch is worth it!