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Imortant Updates TX Law.

jpenney May 19, 2009 11:42 AM

I received erroneous info on the house bill number please change all references to hb3709 to HB3079.
I just got off the phone with Lisa @ Sen. Hegars office. To make a long story short, HB3391 looks like it is a no go. Sen. Hegar does not want to open any of the Sunset bills to amendments. He has five and opening one for amendment would apparently cause a landslide of amendment request. So the short of it is, unless someone with more pull opens the others, we aaren't getting on that bill.
So we really need to push HB3079. It still requires Sen. Uresti's help. We need him to introduce the language of HB1500 into HB3079. Call his office and ask for Thomas, as he's the one working on it. The sponsor of this bill is Sen Hegar as well. They sound like they are open to accepting our language so please be polite.
Reiterating: So we need Uresti to introduce the language of 1500 into HB3079. Call your friends and neighbors, email all the herpers you know.If you own a small business in SW Texas, your email is VERY important as to how this bad law has effected your business. Any questions, email me..

Jason
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HCU
Snakes of Hudspeth County, Texas

Replies (9)

jscrick May 19, 2009 02:01 PM

From previous post: "It still requires Sen. Uresti's help. We need him to introduce the language of HB1500 into HB3079. Call his office and ask for Thomas, as he's the one working on it. The sponsor of this bill is Sen Hegar as well."
So...
Call Senator Uresti"s office.
Phone number is: 512-463-0119.
Speak to Thomas.
Say -- "Please ask Senator Uresti to introduce the language of Rep. Tracy King's HB 1500 to HB 3079 sponsored by Senator Hegar."
Thanks,
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

obeligz May 19, 2009 02:30 PM

Confused.

All the numbers get me confused I have to sit this one out on the sideline. Not really sure what to think, and what to do. When I donīt trust the HCU, Iīm fearful of supporting their initiatives.
Looking back at the past montīs debates, an overview reveals that certain members of HCU have been dominating this forum. I have also dominated this forum, but soon I will be exhausted and things will go back to normal in here. Normal being, the HCU dominating this forum in persistence to derail certain topics, halt others and promote an alternative agenda.

I would argue that members of the HCU are repeatedly obstructing constructive debates in this forum, and that this behaviour has a close resemblence to typical proactive defensive behaviour from the part of Peta, HSUS and a small bunch of others.
In actively influencing public opinion on large important public forums such as this, animal rights organizations may get an early warning that oby is coming out to get them, but they may also reduce the damage by derailing debate calming down anger and distracting focus away from the root of some important problem.
Although unpleasant, this is not illegal in any respect to, and I expect it is not possible to do anything about?
It would be a tyranical practice for moderators to start banning some people for "having the wrong opinions all the time", and it is not easy to think constructively with all the public noise.
I can only begin to imagine what fantastic debates would take place if there was a guarantee that neither oby nor HCU members participated in any thread on this forum, fearing only that we would cheat, for we both just canīt not do this, for the love of animals and humanity. I would go underground and continue the debate in my favorite undercover alias; oby-1, and you would assume your favorite aliases.

This leads me to the conclusion that unless the responsible keepers can dominate the public opinion on kingsnake and similar forums through rational and civilized discourse and exchange of opinion, in the long run, they cannot avoid loosing ground to AR organizations.
In the same time AR organizations are fighting responsible animal companions through irrationally restrictive legislation to a much further extent.
This gives me the feeling that unless things change a lot and fast, responsible reptile keepers in the US will find themselves in an awqward position in 5-10 years from now.

Many regular members of this forum are aware of a big bundle of very important problems which we should address, but it is difficult to lead a constructive debate when someone is intentionally and actively attempting to derail constructive progress.

Sorry for the long rant, I donīt mean to criticize positive development in HB3079, 1500 or HB3391. Still, isnīt it a shot in the night to go after the mosquito bans when giants like HR669 are threatening the very existence of legal responsible terrarium keepers?

Kind regards
obeligz

brhaco May 19, 2009 04:04 PM

Lighten up Oby. I haven't seen anyone try to stifle discussion, other than to warn about giving out tactical and strategic info on an open forum. A lot of folks have came to different conclusions than you have, maybe-but that's what debate is about.

There is no choice between supporting state groups/issues or National. We should fight side by side and tooth and nail for both.
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

Aaron May 19, 2009 05:22 PM

To myself and many others HB1500, HB3079 and HB3391 is not what I would call a "mosquito" ban.

If you have never been herping in TX you probably don't understand what a huge thing it is for many people. For me it is the highlight of my year and I have been doing it every year since 1996. I even bought property out there so I can retire and spend my "golden years" herping there.

I think I have seen you post pictures of Rhacodactylus geckos before. If they are your favorite species try to imagine what it would be like for you to be able to go out and collect your own breeding stock, then to have that right taken away from you. You would want it back, I'm sure. We have spent large amounts of our own money to hire and lobbyist and put in time establishing relationships with politicians to create a bill which would give every herper the right to return to the roads and collect within legal bag limits. In fact you cannot even touch a herp for photography or move it across the road to save it's life right now in Texas.

As far as 669 goes, I have written letters of opposition as have many others involved in HB1500. One does not preclude the other.

jpenney May 19, 2009 08:40 PM

>>Confused.
>>
>>All the numbers get me confused I have to sit this one out on the sideline. Not really sure what to think, and what to do. When I donīt trust the HCU, Iīm fearful of supporting their initiatives.
>>Looking back at the past montīs debates, an overview reveals that certain members of HCU have been dominating this forum. I have also dominated this forum, but soon I will be exhausted and things will go back to normal in here. Normal being, the HCU dominating this forum in persistence to derail certain topics, halt others and promote an alternative agenda.
>>
>>I would argue that members of the HCU are repeatedly obstructing constructive debates in this forum, and that this behaviour has a close resemblence to typical proactive defensive behaviour from the part of Peta, HSUS and a small bunch of others.
>>In actively influencing public opinion on large important public forums such as this, animal rights organizations may get an early warning that oby is coming out to get them, but they may also reduce the damage by derailing debate calming down anger and distracting focus away from the root of some important problem.
>>Although unpleasant, this is not illegal in any respect to, and I expect it is not possible to do anything about?
>>It would be a tyranical practice for moderators to start banning some people for "having the wrong opinions all the time", and it is not easy to think constructively with all the public noise.
>>I can only begin to imagine what fantastic debates would take place if there was a guarantee that neither oby nor HCU members participated in any thread on this forum, fearing only that we would cheat, for we both just canīt not do this, for the love of animals and humanity. I would go underground and continue the debate in my favorite undercover alias; oby-1, and you would assume your favorite aliases.
>>
>>This leads me to the conclusion that unless the responsible keepers can dominate the public opinion on kingsnake and similar forums through rational and civilized discourse and exchange of opinion, in the long run, they cannot avoid loosing ground to AR organizations.
>>In the same time AR organizations are fighting responsible animal companions through irrationally restrictive legislation to a much further extent.
>>This gives me the feeling that unless things change a lot and fast, responsible reptile keepers in the US will find themselves in an awqward position in 5-10 years from now.
>>
>>Many regular members of this forum are aware of a big bundle of very important problems which we should address, but it is difficult to lead a constructive debate when someone is intentionally and actively attempting to derail constructive progress.
>>
>>Sorry for the long rant, I donīt mean to criticize positive development in HB3079, 1500 or HB3391. Still, isnīt it a shot in the night to go after the mosquito bans when giants like HR669 are threatening the very existence of legal responsible terrarium keepers?
>>
>>Kind regards
>>obeligz

My only observation here is your obvious love of hearing yourself talk. Somehow you manage to write endless dribble about subjects that you know nothing about. Since you don't live here and have no dog in this fight try watching from the sidelines for a change.
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HCU
Snakes of Hudspeth County, Texas

kingsnake1 May 20, 2009 02:47 PM

I'm not sure why we arguing with each other, when we need to be on the phone taking care of this. If you haven't called yet, do so now. There is no conflict between state and national efforts. They can work in harmony.
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Greg Jackson

obeligz May 22, 2009 10:57 AM

n/p

kingsnake1 May 22, 2009 01:09 PM

Here is a email I received earlier today from Sen. Uresti

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Thank you for writing and expressing your concern about this time-honored Texas tradition.

Working with Sen. Hegar and other lawmakers, I have helped craft language for the bill that would not prohibit the collection of reptiles from Texas roadways.

Thanks again for taking the time to write and good hunting!

Sincerely,

Carlos I. Uresti
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Greg Jackson

jscrick May 22, 2009 05:08 PM

That sounds pretty good to me. Can't wait to see the final language. Fingers crossed.
jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

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