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How do you know if they're just fat?

JackAsp May 20, 2009 02:52 PM

Chica has gotten fat for two prolonged periods and laid eggs on both occasions. Lupe, on the other hand, has pretty much been fat since the first month I had her. But that doesn't prove she hasn't become gravid recently.
Lupe is digging a bit, but they dig anyway, so... I have no idea.
Her red has been coming and going all spring. Right now it's faint, but I think she's about to shed, so it might just be an overall dullness issue more than a hormonal thing.
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0.1 2006 Western Hognose (Bebe)
0.1 age unknown Cane Toad (Hengo)
0.1 2005 White-Banded Sheen Skink (Minerva)
1.0 2006 Northern Diamondback Terrapin (Queequeg)
1.0 2006 Madagascan Speckled "Hognose" (Sigmund)
1.0 2008 Bullsnake (Winkle)
1.2 2008 Eastern Collared Lizards (Pancho, Lupe, and Chica)

Replies (5)

JackAsp May 21, 2009 10:54 AM

Never mind. She laid, half a day after Chica did. In fact, I thought it was Chica I saw under the water dish last night; didn't know it was Lupe until I saw her this morning. I can see five eggs right against the glass; I'll start digging when they all go to bed.
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0.1 2006 Western Hognose (Bebe)
0.1 age unknown Cane Toad (Hengo)
0.1 2005 White-Banded Sheen Skink (Minerva)
1.0 2006 Northern Diamondback Terrapin (Queequeg)
1.0 2006 Madagascan Speckled "Hognose" (Sigmund)
1.0 2008 Bullsnake (Winkle)
1.2 2008 Eastern Collared Lizards (Pancho, Lupe, and Chica)

PHEve May 21, 2009 12:50 PM

Congratulations, glad your girls made it okay!
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PHEve / Eve

Rosebuds May 21, 2009 02:52 PM

I wondered the same thing after my girl laid the first time because she looked thinnish for like a day, but never emaciated. Now I know she was already making eggs again, because she laid exactly one month later, and she has at least one egg cooking now! She seems to like the 5th of the month for laying.

JackAsp May 21, 2009 11:58 PM

Lupe decided to lay her first clutch within 24 hours of Chica laying her second. And in the same place, no less... although I think that was just Lupe deciding to let Chica do all the digging ad then sneaking in after she was done.

I didn't find a single egg where Chica had been doing most of her recent tunneling, and I was very thorough. I took all three of them out today and dug up the whole tank in broad daylight, instead of just night-time spot-searching.

In the area where Lupe was putting them out last night, I found eight eggs. Two were obviously dead. Six were obviously healthy.

The eight that Chica laid last month did not have the red veining that these do (I had no idea it was so easy to see!) so I feel better about the first ones drying up in the incubator. Hatch-Rite doesn't need water added MY ASS! Oh well. Live and learn.
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0.1 2006 Western Hognose (Bebe)
0.1 age unknown Cane Toad (Hengo)
0.1 2005 White-Banded Sheen Skink (Minerva)
1.0 2006 Northern Diamondback Terrapin (Queequeg)
1.0 2006 Madagascan Speckled "Hognose" (Sigmund)
1.0 2008 Bullsnake (Winkle)
1.2 2008 Eastern Collared Lizards (Pancho, Lupe, and Chica)

Rosebuds May 22, 2009 07:23 AM

My first girl that laid did that with her second clutch. On the morning she laid, she poked her head out of a hole in one corner of the laying area where she had been digging for days. She looked me right in the eye and ducked back in the hole! Then she covered that hole as if she were burying gold. The eggs were on the opposite side! LOL! I told a friend who has been keeping and studying herps for years about this and he said that lizards do these kinds of things, fake holes/nests, sharing nesting spots, etc, in the wild all the time to avoid predation of the eggs. I guess that's true!

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