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Hi, I make excuses myself for my insufficient English.
I am a Italian boy and this year. I trying breeding the my epicrates cenchria cenchria.
I have many doubts…
The 5 april I have see a serious reproduction
The 19 april the sfemale has finished the dumb (exuvia) post-ovulation
12 May the female has stopped to feed
and now... 22 May is re-entering in dumb… is normal all this?
I did not know were dumb during the gestation…
Thanks of all
Nino

Hi Nino -

Use shed instead of dumb for exuvia.

A second shed after post-ovulation shed happens sometimes. I have not seen it in my own animals, but certainly Jeff or Dave can chime in with what to expect.
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Julie
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Hi Nino,

First off, welcome to the forum!!

You're english is good (better than my typing)

One translation correction for you... your "dumb" is either opaque - pre-shed or simply shed.

After the April dates, were the male and female still together?

I ask because the April shed seems too soon after the copulation (breeding) to be her Post Ovulation Shed (POS).

IMO from what you have told us this upcoming May shed will be her POS.

But to be on the safe side I would put her down for two different due dates....

April 19 "POS" = August 14 due date
May 22 "POS" = September 16 due date (yes I know, has not shed yet, you will need to adjust when you have the actual shed date)

Good luck and try not to drive yourself too crazy waiting!!
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Nino
...Benvenuto al forum (that is almost all the Italian I know). My Rainbow Boas shed two to four times while they are gravid. From what you have written it is difficult to predict whether yours is gravid or not. It is often difficult to determine if snakes are gravid. I do not keep track of shedding dates but I do notice that most E.c.c. litters are born around 5.5 months after the last time I observe the snakes mating. Rainbow Boas will mate over a period of 2 to 5 weeks. Soon after the last observed mating the female will look like she has lumps in the back half of her body. If you hold her up by the forward half of the body with the back half hanging down the lumpiness is often visible along the belly scales. You can also sometimes let the snake crawl between your fingers applying slight pressure up into the body cavity and feel the lumps as they pass your fingers. Each lump is around half the size of a hen's egg. Later in gravidity as the baby snake develops and grows the lump will absorb water and grow to a size a little larger than a hen's egg. Brazilian Rainbow Boas usually quit eating when they first become gravid but will often eat a few smaller meals a couple months later. They also bask more on their sides and back while gravid.
Good luck,
Jeff

Many thanks for welcome and fast answeres!
The male and female ware together for a week before the 5 Apryl, but only in this day I seen a copulation. The snakes have been separated a day post of POS! (learn quickly! =P )
therefore Rainbowsrus I creed that my date are corrected!
Moreover i can seen all symptomes of gravidity to list of Jeff...
My only dubious are this second shed.
But if I have not understood badly they make to 2 at 4 shed during gravidance. This is corrected?
Post shed I will show the photos of female!
Thanks for all!
Nino

Once gravid, many females will not shed again until after the babies come. But some will. Some rare few can have two sheds between POS and babies. Any more sheds than that would be unlikely and could indicate some sort of problem as that would mean shedding very frequently. Also, that can vary even in an individual from year to year.

Obviously I only have the info you provided but from that I'm still leaning toward this is her POS coming now. Even if the male had not been with her since, the other shed came too soon after mating. And females can retain sperm for even a year.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Thanks for your many info! But i don't good undestend the second part of your post.
( Obviously I only have the info you provided but from that I'm still leaning toward this is her POS coming now. Even if the male had not been with her since, the other shed came too soon after mating.)

I am sorry but the my english is very very bad... =(
how much after time copulation POS happens?
Thanks
Nino

I'm just saying two weeks between copulation and POS seems like too short of a time. That is why I think she's approaching her POS now.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Looked at some of my own records and two weeks is not unheard of. More common is 3 to 4 weeks though. So, back to two dues dates......

Many times for my breeding it is clearer since I leave the animals together. The female stops being attractive to the male around her ovulation and the male never attempts copulation after a POS. Just the attempt of copulation is enough for me to know that prior shed was not a POS.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
26.49 BRB
20.21 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

You have been indeed kindest! it does not remain to me that to wait for now! I have visited your Internet site, compliments indeed! you have a great breeding! And me like a lot the method of stabulazione of the E.C.C… stabulazione that in Italy I haven't seen and that we will deepen to short! =) thanks of all!
Nino