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With all the Splendida morphs available has anyone produced a ghost or snow Splendida yet?
I believe Don Shores has some adult double hets that should produce ghosts this year.
Is anyone else working on any double homozygous splendida projects?
I am working with an amelanistic male that is possible het for hypomelanism. My female is axanthic.


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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Still producing hets.

I have some albinos, hypos, and axanthics from Don Shores....from those I've produced a bunch of hypos, albinos and axanthics.

This year I bred:

albino x axanthic
albino x hypo
hypo x axanthic

So just a bunch of double hets for me this year.

I wonder if Don will be producing some that will be displaying 2 genes at the same time?

Kerby...

>>Still producing hets.
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>>I have some albinos, hypos, and axanthics from Don Shores....from those I've produced a bunch of hypos, albinos and axanthics.
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>>This year I bred:
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>>albino x axanthic
>>albino x hypo
>>hypo x axanthic
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>>So just a bunch of double hets for me this year.
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>>I wonder if Don will be producing some that will be displaying 2 genes at the same time?
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>>Kerby...

I wonder too Kerby...
Glad to see you are working with them still. I thought you sold all of yours off.
I also wonder what a ghost or snow Splendida will look like?
Maybe Don will chime in...
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

I tried getting rid of my stuff since my stent in my heart last year (no takers), and then on 1 April of this year I had a pacemaker put in.....now I'm out of a job (Yavapai County Sheriff's Office) because of medical reasons....no disability....no retirement....and no unemployment.....just out of a job because of my heart......and yet more than half of the people I had to deal with got paid by the gov't ( $$ benefits).

Makes no sense.

So I still have 104 snakes.......about 60 too many......heck I could't even give them away at the Tucson Reptile Show last year.

I just need to produce that cal king that displays 3 recessive genes at one time...... probably couldn't give that away either LOL

Hope Don Shores produces some cool stuff this year !

Kerby...

That really stinks Kerby...

Glad to hear you are doing well....at least you are on the right side of the dirt...

You make that triple homozygous Caliking and I am sure you will have no problem getting rid of those...

Keep us all informed on the Splendida and the Calikings Mr. Ross.

Have you or anyone ever thought of using a Mexican Black King (MBK) in the Splendida mix?...I for one think they are Melanistic Splendida....I think breeding one to an albino Splendida would produce double hets for a nearly all white Desert King down the road. Then again, wouldn't the snow Splendida be white on white? I think so.....but different than a supposedly all black snake missing the black pigment....It may take a few generations to get the pattern to 'disappear'....
Just my rambling opinions...

Regards,
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

My triple hets (albino, lavender, hypermelanistic) should be laying any day now. I produced the triple hets by breeding a Blizzard to a Lavender a few years ago.

Triple het x triple het

So maybe:

some albinos
some lavenders
some hypermelanistics (I used the Mendota strain, which is the same as Davis)
some Blizzards (albino & hypermelanistics)
some Purple Passions (lavender & hypermelanistics)
some Albino Lavenders (not sure what they will look like)

I've been breeding double het albino & lavenders for a few years now and I have produced albinos and lavenders in the same clutch...but have no idea if I produced one that displayed BOTH albino AND lavender at the same time.

I also have a clutch cooking from:

Male albino (het Ghost) x Female DH (albino & Ghost)

I also bred my male Blue-Eyed Blonde with my Mendota (hypermelanistic) female and she laid a bunch of eggs the other day.....more double hets....another project.

Lots of recipies in the oven.

Kerby...

This seems to be a better year then I thought it would be. I did get more double het eggs then last year so I hope to get some double homozygous eggs. I saw a snow splendida in Daytona last year but it was produced with a cal king. For some reason I thought Kerby had gotten rid of everything. Hope to see him in Az at the show this year.

I tried to get rid of them, but nothing.

So I've been doing some more taxidermy work.....just recently came back from the World Taxidermy Championships in St. Charles, Missouri where I receieved two First (Blue Ribbon) Places in reptile reproductions.

Cuban Rock Iguana Reproduction (molded myself)
Desert Tortoise Reproduction (molded myself)

Kerby...

Kerby,
Will you make it out for the Datona Reptile Breeders Expo this year?
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www.Bluerosy.com

Too far.....

Not enough snakes to bring....

Kerby...

>>This seems to be a better year then I thought it would be. I did get more double het eggs then last year so I hope to get some double homozygous eggs. I saw a snow splendida in Daytona last year but it was produced with a cal king. For some reason I thought Kerby had gotten rid of everything. Hope to see him in Az at the show this year.

Cool Don...Let us know if you have one / some hatch for you this year...and share pics.

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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

>>... I saw a snow splendida in Daytona last year but it was produced with a cal king...

Isn't that a contradiction in terms? It wasn't, then, a splendida? What's the current thinking on such things? I've been relatively out of the loop for a couple years.

my current thinking is know where your stock came from, lol, wasn't that what it used to be and still should be today?
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Todd Hughes

I have two clutches of nine each hypo X Albinos-but these will just produce double hets, I'll still be a couple seasons away from "sunglows". I'd be further along, but last year the one clutch i got went bad during incubation....

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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

Hey Brad, that female looks huge, glad they are doing well for you, keep me posted on the clutch this year
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POSITIVE THOUGHTS, POSITIVE RESULTS

Adam-

I lost the clutch last year, but this year I have two good clutches that are already more than halfway through incubation-so cross fingers!
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

OMG!!!

I just want to say thanks for this thread. I just started working seriously with Lampropeltis (I've always been a Corn breeder) and just got my first clutch of Splendida eggs (Normals). I had no clue about the morphs of these snakes that existed until I clicked on this. Now my wish list and my plans for future projects just got a lot bigger!

Love all of the eye candy in the photos and the genetic discussions!

I'm gonna try my w.c. Nueces county hypo male to a axanthic female next year, also gonna bite the bullet and get an albino female, sigh...

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Todd Hughes

I bred him to this locale female this year for some possibles

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Todd Hughes

Todd,
Everytime you post that picture it reminds me of this beauty I found near the Salton Sea.

They are long lost twins! That is a beautiful splendy! Glad to see these kings get some face time, they are the most underrated kings besides prairies!

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Todd Hughes

Todd-You and I are muy simpatico! I too think calligaster are a highly underrated species. I really would like to get hold of some nice high-contast moles this year....
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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

you and me both Brad! I also want to start a line of het fer nuthin' prairies from waaaay down here, Refugio, Goliad, and Calhoun are the farthest south I have personally seen them, all dor dammit!
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Todd Hughes

Albino splendidas

Kerby...

Axanthics

Kerby...

Hypos

Kerby...

I'm going to go out on a limb and ask....

Should we add Mexican Black Kings to the list of Splendida morphs?
I believe they are Hypermelanistic (melanistic) Splendida...
Does anyone agree or disagree?
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

I am going down there in August and hoping to put it to rest for myself, anyways. I think they are melanistics, I want to look at some w.c.'s and compare them to some textbook Arizona splendies. I don't know if it will answer the question but I will find out for myself. Captive bred snakes are fine but maybe looking at the w.c.'s can shed some light?
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Todd Hughes

>>I am going down there in August and hoping to put it to rest for myself, anyways. I think they are melanistics, I want to look at some w.c.'s and compare them to some textbook Arizona splendies. I don't know if it will answer the question but I will find out for myself. Captive bred snakes are fine but maybe looking at the w.c.'s can shed some light?
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>>Todd Hughes

What would / could help you is breeding a wc pair. See how some, if not all neonates are patterned when they emerge from the egg...Usually after a couple sheds they will turn black. Even adult captive bred MBKs have some pattern near their scutes and on their chin.....Some turn almost totally black.
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

I totally get that, but you know as well as I that things are not always what they seem out there, as compared to our little preserves in a box. Wonder if maybe down Mehico way they are solid black from the get go...?
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Todd Hughes

>>I totally get that, but you know as well as I that things are not always what they seem out there, as compared to our little preserves in a box. Wonder if maybe down Mehico way they are solid black from the get go...?
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>>Todd Hughes

Maybe....Some captive bred hatchlings are totally black...Some aren't....Even in the same clutch....
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

>>I totally get that, but you know as well as I that things are not always what they seem out there, as compared to our little preserves in a box. Wonder if maybe down Mehico way they are solid black from the get go...?
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>>Todd Hughes

That is why I think a wc pairing should be performed...maybe even more than one or two to come to a conclusion.
Splendida certainly intergrade with ALL neighboring Getula (You and I have seen that here with our Holbrooki / Splendida first hand)...They may just be intergrading with a pure "Mexican" strain that is TOTALLY black (L. g. Nigrita)...

I have seen many captive bred MBKs and all of them have had the white chin...many have remnant pattern....Many were born with Splendida pattern that disappeared...But my experience is limited. And I certainly don't know all.....lol

Regards,
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

I think you'll have to go a bit further south and west, Señor. I believe southern AZ is smack dab in the middle of the intergrade zone, with a tiny bit of californiae from the north, a little nigrita from the south, and a whole lot of splendida from the east. I don't know that much of anything you find down there can be called a "true" representative of any of those ssp.
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Diego

SWCHR

>>Should we add Mexican Black Kings to the list of Splendida morphs?
>>I believe they are Hypermelanistic (melanistic) Splendida...
>>Does anyone agree or disagree?

My opinion from an earlier discussion on this.....

Link

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Ace

I disagree. My MBKs just act different than the Splendida and just seem to me to be totally different snakes altogether. As far as heads, scalation, stuff like that and looking at them with a color blind eye, I don't even think that they really even look alike either.

Thanks for these morph pics Kerby. I'm diggin' the albinos big time!