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I recently was talking to another breeder and when i mentioned I had a really nice female khal albino he said "oh" that he heard from big breeders that female albinos dont produce and if you are lucky and they do produce its usually slugs or deformed babies. Im trying to find out if this is true? He said try her and if she doesnt produce then in his opinion that we should get rid of her. heres a pic of my baby she will be 3yrs old in 2 days

WOW!

Well, I've had mixed results but nothing worse than I'd expect from first time moms.

One virgin female Kahl Albino carried full term, 25 babies.

Another virgin albino female did not fare as well, only 5 babies but two were Motleys so I guess I can't complain.

A third virgin female Albino Arabesque slugged out.

Do have one more Albino female cooking her babies, due at the end of the month.

Albino's need the cage to be temp regulated better as they are not as good at thermoregulating as darker normal females.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (05/26/2009):
36.51 BRB
29.42 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

An Albino's color shouldn't play a role in this regard as their heat source is unaffected by reflection (ie, not the sun), no?

>>An Albino's color shouldn't play a role in this regard as their heat source is unaffected by reflection (ie, not the sun), no?

If so then why does a normal get much darker when gravid? While in captivity much of their heat transfer is direct IMO not all is. Plus what about heat loss through the skin?

Interesting thing I see in my BRB's is many will have dark colored sides during the dayand those same areas will white out at night, still in the same cage. These two pics are the same snake on the same day, about 12 hours apart.....

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (05/26/2009):
36.51 BRB
29.42 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

"If so then why does a normal get much darker when gravid?"

Because in the wild one of their primary heat sources is the sun. Darkening up allows them to absorb sunlight more effectively as light reflects less on darker surfaces.

"Plus what about heat loss through the skin?"

Not sure how color would affect heat loss through the skin?

Whether or not they produce as effectively as a normal is up for debate as they are, after all, a genetic mutation. Genetic mutants are generally weaker animals.

But they produce just fine. One of my top female producers is an albino. She is 2 for 2 in attempted breedings.

Sorry but I had to laugh. I think its funny when ppl say stuff like albinos dont produce and whatnot. Not true.

Thanks guys I feel better about breeding her later on and even if she never produced a single baby she is one of the first i purchased i love how she has kept so much color and she aint going anywhere you guys have been very helpful

I wouldn't get rid of her no matter what.
I highly doubt Albino fems have a harder time producing
Although I used to here this,but you can't be certain
exactly why this may have occurred in those
circumstances. It could've been related to
improper out crossing or just bad cards.
Sometimes the dice just don't role your way !
. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

Was the other breeder saying he'd take her off your hands?

He has never even seen her in person and she looks so much better then any pic. Well ill be sure to post pics of her breeding and of the litter and if there isnt a litter well she still aint going anywhere

Yes,
Albino boas can be hard to breed. Actually, a boa doesn't have to be Albino to be hard to breed. Sometimes a female boa "just won't ovulate". The males can try their hardest and still...nothing.

I had 2 Albinos females. One produced the fist time I put a male in with her. The other Albino never ovulated.

I've read of breeders that have tried for 5 or 10 years to breed a boa(non-Albino)and yet, they just didn't ovulate.

So, since any boa can "refuse to ovulate", it's possible that Albino boas can be hard to breed.

I haven't read all the replies yet, but after reading your post I had to share this picture from August of 2003 when my '98 P.K. albino gave birth. The birth was a little premature (it was her first litter), I ended up with 2 albino and 2 het albino healthy viable young. I kept a male albino who bred an unrelated female this year, she is due in 3 weeks.

So anyways, here's the pic, you can see she is in process of giving birth to an albino, you can see their heads are up and they are live. Take that nay-sayers! lol

you have a very beautiful girl there! Good luck with her,
-April

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'There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."' -Rainshadow

I had to laugh at that too! Why some people think they know everything, I'll never know! LOL!
My albino, bred to another albino no less, produced 17 healthy baby albinos earlier this year. It was her first time and there were a few slugs, I lost one baby (think it got crushed), but the rest were beautiful!
Keep your lovely gal, that person is uninformed and probably has never tried it himself...
Here is a photo of my lady, Hope, giving birth...

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Steph S.
Boas...
1.1 Albino boas (Loki & Hope)
1.1 Sunglow (Rojo and Temperance (25% Suriname))
1.4 07 Het. albino boas (Petty & Lady,Sierra,Madeline,Lola)
0.1 Reverse stripe poss. het albino (Cookie)
0.1 Salmon/hypo (Scarlet)
1.0 Anery (Reno)
1.0 Probable Super Salmontine(Kahn)
0.1 Salmontine (Sonya)
2.0 DH Sunglow (Gabrielle and Dumah)
1.0 Hypo het anery (Don Juan)
1.1 07 Hypo pos. triple hets (Rico Suave & Pumpkin)
1.0.1 Het. Anery (Guy & ?)
0.1 2007 Mostly striped boa (Andromeda)
0.3 Normals (Ophelia, Sasha, & Lulu)
1.0 Surinames (Solomon & Surreal(deceased)
1.3 Hog Isles (Mr.Orange & Peaches, Tang, Isis)
0.0.1 Central American (Sassy)
1.0 ATB (Satan... seriously!)
Pythons...
2.1 GTPs (B., Monty & Jewel)
0.0.2 BPs ( Precious, Houdini)
1.2 Carpet Pythons (Jackson, Charlotte, & Cassandra)
1.2 Blood python (Akaia, Thorn, Elliot)
1.1 Borneo Blood Pythons (Donovan and Deanna)
1.2 Children's Pythons (Spot, Freckle and Speckle)
Misc.
1.1 Mandarin Ratsnakes (Jack & Jill)
1.0 Boxer/Pitt Mutt (Tyson)
1.0 Saharan Uromastyx