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Our CB Indian python eggs are hatching out.

CONGRATS...I love Indian Pythons. Do you have pics of the parents?...Thanks
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Tom Crutchfield
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The famele is around 13 ft.

The male is around 9 - 10 ft.

Those are very nice. Do you live in Florida? Thanks for posting the adult pics.....
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Tom Crutchfield
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No, I'm in Colorado. I do have the USFW CBW permit for these guys though. The process to get the permit is not that bad.

I know, I already have a couple of cbw. A good friend of mine Bill Lamareox also breeds molurus and pimbura in CO....I used to breed the best Indians this side of Rajhastan....
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Tom Crutchfield
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Bill's a good friend of mine also. In fact he has a clutch of Indian eggs that are due to hatch out next weekend. That clutch is a pairing of my male and his adult female.

Tom, do you still breed any Indians in Fla? On know of anyone that may have nice ones??

I sold my breeders in the late 1990's unfortunately. Right now I don't know anyone in Florida who breeds them.....thanks
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Tom Crutchfield
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Tom, Thanks for the reply.

Congrats Brett! You had a great looking pair of adults and it looks like the babies aren't going to let you down either.

Super, congrads. If I was in Colorado, I'm be trying to get a pair..

Here are a few pictures of the babies fresh out of the eggs.

They are gorgeous!

That last photo is like a drawing. Just what you want a Indian ti look like!!

Stunning Fat babies !

how many egg's did she lay and how many hatched ?

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21 years in the hobbie/business.
in my personal collection at present;
2:1 Dwarf molurus bivittatus
2:2 p.m.molurus
1:4 chondro python viridis
1:1 dasypeltis medici
1:1 Geochelone Sulcata

She laid 18 eggs and 14 of them hatched out healthy.

Brett,
This is Gary Leskosky from Castle Rock.
They're beautiful babies Brett! I have a 2006 pair of Indians that I purchased from Bill (Lamareox??) and Matt Walker. I don't have any current contact info for these two. Do you have a contact email or phone for Bill? Would like to talk Indian Pythons with local Coloradoans.

Thanks! Gary => 303-688-2601

spoke about earlier, that breeding pair are really nice examples of this molurus subspecies. That female is one of the nicest examples of a southern Indian specimen that I have seen, and you don't see this southern form much in captivity. Also, I'd say your incubation temps were right on based on the incubation period you had with these hatchlings. Congrats.

Kelly

Thanks

Could you post a photo of your adults heads? The female I have I don't feel is pure, as her eyes are large like a Burmese. Photos on the web do show large variance.

If possible, please post photos of the head and body of your female when you can. Close-ups of the head and a full body shot would be nice. Even though they are the same subspecies, there is a lot of variation within Indian and Pakistan molurus and intergrades only make it more confusing. The range of P. m. molurus is quite extensive and runs about 1,800 miles north to south. That encompasses multiple geographic biomes and accounts for considerable variation between populations. However, yours may not be an intergrade after all and a lot depends on from what region of their range the individual originates. Thanks,

Kelly

Here is the best head shot I have, without taking more pictures.

Kelly, Hope the photos post, she is in shed, but dose her eye look large for a pure Indian? Thanks for checking
Tom

Even in shed it looks like a good Indian to me and I'm old enough to have seen imports from Pakistan. The occasional Pakistan Python would have BLACK freckles all over the body. I always surmised that those were from the extreme north end of their range....The very last import Indian I saw was at Bill Chase's and it had a LOT of black....
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Tom Crutchfield
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Tom, I remember a place in Miami called Chase animal imports over by Miami airport. I enjoyed going there as a kid.
The Indian in these photos is of a male from Prehistoric Pets that I hope is pure. As I plan on breeding in the future.
Thanks Tom

You've got the right Chase. He truly was a good friend and I still have fond memories of him and his fabulous menagerie from Elephants to baby turtles....
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Tom Crutchfield
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This one is not as good as the pic of the head that I can tell you without seeing the rest of the snake. Unless this one is very young and small the spear on the head is not faded exactly correct in my opinion....
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Tom Crutchfield
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Tom, he is almost 6ft, but not there yet. I'll post another photo of him in a few months. I have a female from Perhistoric Pets also, that is 6' plus, and her head mark is much more faded.
Thanks for your experience, as that is something books can't give. It was from a book that I read they have to have a small eye to be a pure mainland Indian. I have seen some photos on the web where they have a small eye, and yet others that show a larger eye.
Tom

The size of the eye has little to do with it but other "little" things do. The spear on the head SHOULD be faded from the eyes forward on a 6' snake in molurus molurus Pythons....
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Tom Crutchfield
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Your female definitely appears to be pure and by its pattern appears to be of northern India origin. It is also interesting to note that the 7th supralabial is in contact with the eye and not the 6th as you would see in most Sri Lanka molurus. This appears to be common with the more northern P. m. molurus. Tom C. is correct in that the Pakistan molurus are typically darker than the other southern populations and they also tend to show a more symmetrical and regular pattern of blotches along the back than the Indian populations. Check out the photo again of Brett’s female. It is a classic example of a Southern Indian molurus showing a more broken pattern and overall lighter color.

That male of yours does appear to be slightly problematic. While all Indian molurus are born with a relatively full arrow mark on the head, it typically fades with age until the forward edge of the arrow is typically about even with the eyes or just slightly farther back in a few individuals. In the majority of Sri Lanka specimens, the arrow usually fades almost completely back starting at a young age and almost disappears (see photo below). Even newborn Sri Lanka specimens have almost a full arrow, but still less than newborn Indians. The arrow on Indians fades back slower with age and if your male is still pretty young, that arrow marking is not that unusual. I have seen yearling pure Indians with three-fourths of an arrow mark. What age is that male of yours?

Kelly

Adult female Sri Lanka molurus

Thank you Kelly for taking the time for your replies. I had read where the eye scale on a Burmese and Indian are different, but thought the mainland Indian and Sri Lanka molurus were the same with the supralabial scales.

Yes, Brett has some beautiful Indians, and if I was in Colorado, he would have a few less hatchlings to feed already. My male is about 18 months old at least, and I had hoped being from Prehistoric Pets he would be pure. I don't power feed as I would like to breed a clutch, but I'm not in a rush, so I was thinking because I was growing him slower, that was the reason the mark wasn't fading as much as the female from Prehistoric Pets was. Wishful thinking anyhow. This is photo of the female's head if it posts okay. Thanks for your knowledge.

Tom

A few more photos of the female.
Tom

That female looks good and has an interesting pattern. I would be curious to see a closeup photo of the eye region on that one. The 6th or 7th supralabial will contact the eye in molurus of mainland or Sri Lanka origin, but the 7th in contact with the eye appears to be more common with Indian specimens. The photo below is of one of my Sri Lanka females showing the 6th supralabial in contact. I do not have enough information on molurus from Pakistan to give a determination on them regarding supralabial position, and I would be very interested to hear from anyone who has examined any of these specimens. Thanks,

Kelly

Kelly, I'll see if my camera can zoom in for good a closeup of the young female's head scales.
Tom

Congratulations! Beautiful snakes! Indians are my childhood favorite, they're what drew me into Burmese pythons many years ago.

Best wishes!
HH
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