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Just thought I would share my last 24 hours with you.To say confusing is a understatement.
I put my Mandarins together early in the season hoping i would get at least Mandarins and possibly Super Mandarins.I keep all my records on Degei data base which I find superb.Ok so I seen lots of courting and copulation. POS shed was 12/1/2009 which would make her due April 27th. She never really looked gravid, and if she was it would be a small litter.I offerd her small meals like I do with all my gravid females and if she strikes it-she can have it- if not- i dont leave it around for her.
April 27th came and went- no sign of any babies. So I waited another 10 days before I upped her meal size. I check all the cages twice daily regadles. So yesterday I went to do my morning check of my boa rooms, she seen me and immeidetly struck at the door. I thought she was extremeley keen so went and defrosted a large rat. No sooner the door was open she was leaping out to get it. Later I went up to make sure she had eaten - and I could just see the rat un eaten- just by the rat I could see a baby boa!
I got her out the cage and immeidetly my joy I felt was soon crushed, 6 slugs 6 dead boas. I think they were born at least 24hours maybe 48 hours previouse. They seemed to be large size boas but all had dried out. She had had them at the back of her waterbowl and under the paper. I was totaly gutted! This was my most anticipated litter this year.

So.. Now for my Blonde Albino T+ hets.. She gave me a really nice litter last year- 4 visuals and 6 - 66% hets. All Zig Zag.
So this year I repeated the same breeding. Her POS was 14/1/2009 making her due April 29th- two days later than the mandarin.

Now she looked gravid, but like last year always eat. So today for some reason I got up and checked her at 5.00 AM - then again at 10.00 am Then I had a freind come around and was showing him my collection - at 11.00 am I opened her door and ther was a litter! 10 live 6 slugs 7 zig zag boas 66% het T+ and 3 visuals!

Now the intesting bit in case you have missed it. Both boas were due in April, 2 days apart from an other. Yet still both give birth 40 days later - but within two days of one another.The only other shed she had was on the 14/4/2009.

Any explanations?

Thanks

Alan

Rhino vivs.

Congratulations on those beautiful Zig -Zag Boas !!
You missed the ovulation's and the sheds were not POS
That's my only thought

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

Congratulations and thank you! This is the first time in years of hearing about the "Blonde T-Positives" from Europe that I personally have ever seen a litter picture obviously from a single litter showing exactly that there in fact is such a thing as a Blonde T-Positive. I know I have not seen every single post about this Morph but nobody had ever posted a picture to illustrate that in fact they actually existed. While I saw tons of picture of great looking Boas, as great looking Boas they never set themselves apart from any number of other great looking Boas out there all over the place. I requested such pictures many times over and over and over but those pictures, if they existed, were never posted. I have made that request at least a half dozen times without ever seeing a picture like this. I cannot understand why this request was never honored as it would have really helped build excitement with the project. This is the picture that was needed to show that it is what it is. A more subtle form of T-Positive that is pretty clearly discernible from not visual sibling.

A picture like this three or four years ago would mean a great deal more demand for these animals than there has been. So this picture is a good thing to show that it in fact actually exists.

Now for you date and POS issue. This is actually very common. In fact another fellow made a post similar to this about a week ago believing an animal to be way past due. The fact is that many people prematurely identify their females as gravid though they have only swollen due to the development of egg follicles, but they are not gravid yet. This happens to people all the time. I get the calls from them all the time about their overdue Boa. When they have kept good records of all sheds, they invariably can identify the next shed date and counting from that date, identify a new actual due date. It's a surprise to them often that they actually do still have the babies but on this later date.

So my question to you is; Did these two females each have a shed around February 20th give or take a week? I'll bet they did. If you count the days from that date, you come up with a due date of June 5th.

Did you take pictures of the Mandarian babies? Did you notice anything different or "special" about them at all?
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Hi Jeff,
thanks for your in put. The shed dateds for the Het T
was 14 January and 14 April. The Mandarin shed dates- 12th of January and the 8th of March.
I have posted a pic of the Mandarins- all colour has faded due to being dead I guess for 24- 48 hours.
Alan

Bazaar scenarios for sure. Glad I didn't bet too much! LOL They don't all do it by the book every time but usually they do. You had two strange ones there that's for sure.

Dead babies never have the normal color you might see in live babies either even if they very recently died. Thanks for the picture. Nothing crazy there but the number was small. Good luck with your next attempt!
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

the pix you asked for a while ago are on page 3, a little ways down. There were a number of pix posted by Peter and Marc. Just wanted to let you know incase you didn't see them.

Post the link or send it to me Rueben.

The only Blonde related posts on that page are from a Sharp X Blonde breeding that I did see a few weeks back. I had made made numerous requests for further information but was ignored when it was originally posted last year because it did not make sense. That left us with a scenario that did not work with what we know about genetics. That was part of what helped fuel the skepticism about them in fact. At least in my mind.

Now, I am no longer a skeptic about the "Blonde T_Positives" from Europe, but that one picture which was posted last year did not fit with the explanation given at that time.

If there was another picture or set of pictures that I missed, please post a link to that. Thanks Reuben!
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Here is a sample picture of what I had hoped to see from the Blonde Breeders years ago but did not:

These are Prodigy T-Positive Albinos. A picture is worth a thousand words and makes it impossible to be a skeptic. Especially when the Morph animals are not "night and day" different and identifiable as stand alone animals, which in my opinion the Blonde T-Pos animals that I have seen so far have been. Most have been really beautiful but looked a lot like many really beautiful Pastels are. Genetically far more than just Pastels for sure but visually not so much. Makes me really look forward to seeing a Hypo Blonde T-Positive!
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Posted by: boaphile at Sat Jun 6 15:17:24 2009
>>> " Now for you date and POS issue. This is actually very common. In fact another fellow made a post similar to this about a week ago believing an animal to be way past due. The fact is that many people prematurely identify their females as gravid though they have only swollen due to the development of egg follicles, but they are not gravid yet. This happens to people all the time. I get the calls from them all the time about their overdue Boa. When they have kept good records of all sheds, they invariably can identify the next shed date and counting from that date, identify a new actual due date. It's a surprise to them often that they actually do still have the babies but on this later date. "

I actually have great set of pictures I could post from my '03 Pastel Dream fem het Albino
that illustrates this exact scenario Jeff is talking about
huge Pre Ov swelling and then a huge Ovulation

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

>>Congratulations and thank you! This is the first time in years of hearing about the "Blonde T-Positives" from Europe that I personally have ever seen a litter picture obviously from a single litter showing exactly that there in fact is such a thing as a Blonde T-Positive. I know I have not seen every single post about this Morph but nobody had ever posted a picture to illustrate that in fact they actually existed. While I saw tons of picture of great looking Boas, as great looking Boas they never set themselves apart from any number of other great looking Boas out there all over the place. I requested such pictures many times over and over and over but those pictures, if they existed, were never posted. I have made that request at least a half dozen times without ever seeing a picture like this. I cannot understand why this request was never honored as it would have really helped build excitement with the project. This is the picture that was needed to show that it is what it is. A more subtle form of T-Positive that is pretty clearly discernible from not visual sibling.
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>>A picture like this three or four years ago would mean a great deal more demand for these animals than there has been. So this picture is a good thing to show that it in fact actually exists.
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>>Jeff Ronne Sr
>>The Boaphile
>>Director USARK
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>>Originator of Boaphile Plastics
>>The Boaphile Boa Site

Do you remember that pic ? If you don't I do.

I believe Jeff is looking for Blonde litter pictures of new borns still in the goo and not cleaned up with all of their littermates.

What I was looking for was a picture that would illustrate that the Blonde morph was exactly as described. This is what I was looking for.

I asked for this picture many times. I probably asked you in particular for such a picture here on the Boa forum more than I asked anyone else to post it. So did many others and the fact that a picture like this was never posted till not made you the main brunt of a lot of completely unnecessary scrutiny and skepticism. Because the Blonde T-Pos animals are not stand alone readily identifiable Boas like say a regular Albino is, people needed that image to illustrate that in fact it is what it is. Without it many remained unconvinced. The old saying goes, "A picture is worth a thousand words". No matter how many times you said what it was and how it worked, without the photo proof of what it was, most people were like me remaining unconvinced. This is especially true given that fact that though requested, that picture was never produced. Remember how you had long arguments with many about this morph? That all is over now that this picture has been posted. That is why this picture vs. the picture you posted, is so important.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

Here is another link to a pic of the same group. It was posted by Gabor on your now closed forum (boaphile forum) at the end of 2002 or begining of 2003 by Gabor. At a glance, I knew there was,at least, a T positive on the pic and contacted Gabor to get some, looks like I was the only one.
I did not need more pics and even did not cared for the fantastic reverse striped and pastel on the same pic.
When I got the first blondes (zigzag at that time) in my hands in 2003, it was just a confirmation even thought one was not light at all. A very known european breeder remember that day (H.W), when he did saw them out of my bag.
I slould take time to writte more about the thrue story, the key points, like , what is the difference between a hypo and a T plus ? It's night and day, a double oxydation visibly not completed....That was a question you were asking in 2007 when I posted a litter of blonde X blonde on this forum.
I never needed to see hets and T positive in the goo to beleive. Since 2003, I have proved them, produced blonde X blonde (100% blondes), blonde X sharp (paragidm like), blonde with different morph to produce hets. Sorry if I have never been able to show you what you needed to beleive, I couldn't !

Peace, and sorry for my english.

Ps: if you wish pics, just contact me.

http://gallery.kingsnake.com/data/594974boasss.jpg

First, I think your English is very good.

I haven't seen pictures of a Blonde X Sharp breeding. Such a breeding, if it was to result in a new morph, would produce, every single baby within that litter, as a new visual morph. I think I remember seeing a litter last year that was supposed to be that breeding. Assuming a new combination morph was created, every single baby in that litter would be that new morph. However, there were normal babies in the litter too which could only mean one of two things:

1. Another male sired some of the babies.

2. The Blonde was actually only het Blonde.

If the Blonde was only a het Blonde, then are we to be concerned that the identification of Blondes from non-Blondes can be the subject judgment of the seller? What a mess that would be.

Perhaps there was another breeding that I did not see. I'd love to see them, but again those pictures of babies in the goo tell the story far better than words and pictures of older animals, while they may be very beautiful, do nothing to settle the minds of the undecided.

Sorry to babble on so much.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

Originator of Boaphile Plastics
The Boaphile Boa Site

sorry to hear about the Mandarins. Those Blondes look great though! I think the Blondes have a very bright future here in the U.S. I had a litter of Double hets this year from Blonde X Sharp and am waiting on a litter from Blonde X Super Salmon. Seeing those awesome babies you had just makes me more anxious to further work with this line! CONGRATS AGAIN!

Thanks Ruben, it is going to be VERY intresting to see what you get from those hets.Good luck with your Blonde x Salmon breeding
too!
Alan

Very nice looking kids. Congrats!!!

Sorry to hear about the other litter. Best of luck next time---Kraig

Thanks, Kraig!
Alan
www.iconboas.com

Congratulations on the Blonde Albinos Alan! It's funny that sometimes boas simply refuse to follow "the rules" with regards to breeding.

Sorry to hear about your Mandarins, it would have been nice to see a nice big litter so we could learn a little bit more about their genetics. Maybe next season! Has anyone else bred Mandarins successfully that you are aware of?

Cheers,
Denny

Hi Denny,
As far as I am aware no one else - certainly here in the UK has not produced any Mandarins. What about you Denny- how is your breeding going regarding the Mandarins?
Alan
www.iconboa.com

Nothing this season, we got a late start.

Kathy and I are hopeful that next season we'll have a couple successful Mandarin breedings. Time will tell!

Denny

Congrats Alan!
A super litter.
Sorry for your loss Mate.

Thanks Colin.
Alan
www.iconboas.com