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Lilly is a basic pastel female (mom). The only odd thing to her pattern is that 2 of her tail saddles are joined. Dream is a pastel dream male (dad) with no oddities at all to his pattern. I'm trying to figure out where all the stripes and partial ladder tails came from in this mix. I acquired both parents as adults with no knowledge of their histories or lineages. I included pics of mom and 2 kids that really stood out to me. Total, there is 10 partially striped, 10 partial ladder tails, and 11 mostly normal...it was a nice surprise!

Do you have better pics of mom all stretched out?

Not yet. I'll have to get some now that she's not always curled up and pregnant. I think I can get her to pose for pictures now...she'll do almost anything for a rat currently I included a pic of her with her newborns that shows more of her markings, but I'll get better ones soon.

Here's a new pic of Lilly, the mother. She is still dark as she just had her babies 6 days ago and hasn't shed yet.

You said in your first post that you acquired both parents as adults with no information on their history or lineages, but you are calling Dad a "Pastel Dream" which has a very specific lineage.

How come?

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Jason Gonzalez

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>> You said in your first post that you acquired both parents as adults with no information on their history or lineages,
but you are calling Dad a "Pastel Dream" which has a very specific lineage.

How come?
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Jason Gonzalez
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Also in another post below it was called a "Pastel Dream" and some
of the babies were being labeled "Pastel Dream"
I didn't say anything but I'm curious ??
If a person doesn't know what they have on one hand but then
labels something "Pastel Dream"
it leaves me confused ??

As stated "Pastel Dream" is a very
specific lineage and Bloodline.

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

I'm curious too.

I'd love to see a picture of your male.

I acquired Dream through a petshop wholesaler. He was listed as a 4.5 ft pastel male boa. I ordered him as a mate for my pastel female. When he arrived, I was shocked when I pulled him out of the bag. I called my supplier immediately to find out where he got this snake from. John had recently gotten the boa from Doug Matuszak and Will Slough whom he is friends with. He gave me their number, so I proceeded to call them. I'm not sure which on of them I spoke, but I think it was Doug. He knew the snake exactly since he had only sold 1 to John recently. A friend of his had produced this snake, but then had some personal issues that forced him to sell his entire collection to Doug and Will. Doug told me that the snake was a pastel dream. He was not looking to add this variety to his collection, and he had gotten the snake cheap. He inturn sold it to his friend, John, cheap also. The whole reason I backtracked to find info about this snake is that his belly is bright orange. I had never seen that before in a columbian, so I had to find out what I had. Unfortunately, the original producer was never made known to me since his personal issues required his privacy.

Dad has some interesting peaks in a few saddles. Maybe some suri in there? Could that explain some of the ladder tail?

I know Doug pretty well and this part of your post doesn't make sense to me.
" Doug told me that the snake was a pastel dream. He was not looking to add this variety to his collection, and he had gotten the snake cheap. He inturn sold it to his friend, John, cheap also."

Doug works with and has been working with Pastel Dreams for a long time. You sure these came threw Doug or Will cause I can't remember hearing about theis Sick guy and his collection sale either.

I still am not sure if I spoke to Doug or Will, but it was one of them that I spoke to directly. He verified over the phone that the snake was a pastel dream and that he didn't have any need for him in his collection at that time. This was 2-4 years ago. I could not even remember the name of the breeder who I spoke to, so I contacted my supplier again yesterday to verify who I had spoken to. John recalled the situation easily, and reminded me that it was 1 of these 2 men that he had got the snake from. He had given me their number, and I know that I proceeded to have a phone conversation with 1 of them. The original person who got rid of this snake cheap did not have any health issues. The personal issues were more of a legal nature than anything health related. I can't recall the name of the original producer anymore even though I know that I was told it. I would not say it if I did remember it though, cuz I wouldn't want to tarnish his reputation over a mistake that he made in his life. I was informed that he had to serve a short term in prison, so he parted with everything he had quickly. I don't know if his collection was 3 snakes or 300 snakes honestly. If he was very small into boa breeding, that could be why it hasn't been mentioned much, or it was kept more secret for his privacy. The only thing I have to tell me that my boy is a pastel dream is the phone call that I had with Doug or Will back then. I just know he's a pretty snake who sired some pretty kids. I would love to get in contact with Doug or Will again for more info, but their website doesn't exist anymore. I will have to see if I can get their number again from my supplier. Then I might be able to find more info about my snakes past. Sorry about any confusion, but I don't have much info to go on myself.

Honestly you probably spoke with Doug and your explanation sounds
solid,sounds like this Boa is from the Pastel Dream bloodline.
I think Doug's website is only temporarily down.
Thanks for the info.
. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz
Boas By Klevitz

I hope to speak with Doug or Will again. Someone else here thinks my boy might be part Suri cuz of peaks on a few saddle. I'd really like to find out more from the original breeder, but not sure if that will ever be possible.

I am on the right track I think. I have just spoken to Doug, and this was not one of his snakes. More than likely, Will Slough will be able to shed some light on where my snake came from. It would seem that the snake passed through Will's hands before my supplier got it from him, so I am hopeful that Will might still have some background info on the genetics of my supposed pastel dream. I will let you know after I have a chance to speak directly with Will. My fingers are crossed that he is actually a pastel dream like I was told originally and that I can find some way to verify this. Wish me luck.

I PM'd you Dougs info.

Thanks for letting me know that his sight was up and running again. It seemed to be down last week when I was looking for it.