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I want to breed my own, but i wanted to verify something. I read in a magazine that the blazing blizzards were a product from albinos and a blizzard. Is this true? If not, what do i need to breed them. I dont really want to make a profit, just dont want to pay a ton of money. That and they are cool looking.

Dan

yes it is, sorta. when you breed an albino to a blizzard, you get double hets for blazing. then you breed the hets together till you get a blazing blizzard. you have a 1/16 chance of each egg being a blazing blizz.

that blazing blizzards are extremely more difficult to produce then that. We know this solely because we have not seen one blazing blizzard available to the public yet, although blizzards and albinos have been out for four years. Prehistoric Pets hatched blizzards and bell albinos, and I believe they have not hatched a bell Blazing Blizzard, only Tremper Blazing Blizzards and supposidly this summer we will finally see some available. I believe the ratio to be upwards of 1/1000 chance of hatching a Blazing Blizzard. Now although they are extremely difficult to produce, it is still a worthy project to go for if you have the time, money and space for all those geckos.

If you are going to attempt this, then I recomend you buy a male blizzard and at least 5 female albinos, preferably as many as you can afford. This will give you a large number of double hets, and a larger chance of you hatching the Blazing Blizzard.
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Bradley Baquial

Yeah, many are starting to speculate that "blizzard" and "Tremper albino" trait are on the same chromosome preventing both traits to express themselves at the same time. The only way for both traits to show themselves is the chromosome would have to cross over. This only happens every so often and is a game of chance that potentially takes thousands of hatchlings to produce. It is also thought that the “Tremper albino” and the “patternless” genes are found on the same chromosome as well, which would explain the low level of success producing a Tremper albino patternless.
Thanks
Justyn
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Justyn
Intense Herpetoculture

Prehistoric Pets have 8 or 9 blazing blizards that are Tremper albinos. At least that was what I heard from Jay last fall. My memory might be fuzzy tho.
Garrick at crestedgecko.com does have patternless tremper albinos however.

I think the Bells (who are partnered with Prehistoric Pets) have hatched out a total of -7 blazings, and as for the Tremper Patternless Albino, there has been debate over bloodstock that Garrick used to produce them. It has been suggested (with good suspicion) that the source Garrick purchased his founding group that produced the patternless albino may be contaminated with Rainwater bloodlines. I know several breeders who hope to look further into this issue when Garrick offers the Tremper Patternless Albinos for sale. I personally have a pair of double hets for Tremper Albino I purchased from Garrick, and I truthfully hope his "Tremper" PA is not in fact a "Rainwater". A good close-up of the eyes would help him on this one, but I have yet to see him post one. Oh well, OI really do hope they are Tremper PA's.
Thanks
Justyn
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Justyn
Intense Herpetoculture

and bred them to tremper albinos and got 100% tremper albinos from them. He is also selling them only $50 more then his vegas patternless albinos. Considering the rarity, I would price them much much higher. It will be interesting what the breeders who buy them produce.
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Bradley Baquial

He has told everyone he plans to prove it next year, but not this year. Hmmm.......... I thought that was strange.
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Justyn
Intense Herpetoculture

It sounds like there is a lot of debate over my Tremper Patternless Albinos and with good reason, considering their rarity. Here is the story of how I produced mine:

I bought a male Tremper albino from Ron in '99. In 2000, I bred him to several female patternless breeders that I had in my collection since '97. I produced a number of double het offspring from this breeding. I raised up several groups of females and a couple of males. In 2001, I bred them together and produced Tremper albinos, patternless, and normals- no patternless albinos. In the fall of 2001, I purchased a subadult female Tremper Patternless Albino from Golden Gecko. Mark told me he produced 4 that year. I bred her to a super hypo carrottail in 2002- producing only 2 eggs, both of which hatched out male, one of which is a super hypo carrottail. In 2002, I bred my double het groups together again. In June of 2002, I hatched a TREMPER PATTERNLESS ALBINO from the group of double hets- the ones I produced here from breeding my original Tremper albino male to patternless females. He turned out to be a male. Now, in 2003, I'm breeding him to the Patternless Albino female purchased from Golden Gecko and 2 Albino possible het for patternless that were produced from double het to double het breeding. As of May 27th, I've produced 8 TREMEPER PATTERNLESS ALBINOS, none of which are for sale yet. These are True Trempers unless Ron's albinos are tainted with the Rainwater strain and I think we all know how unlikely that is. I'll have some available for sale later this summer. As for pricing, although they are much rarer than the Rainwaters, I didn't feel like the market would handle a huge price difference, considering they are fairly similar to the Rainwaters. Anyway, I hope this clears some of the speculation up.

Thanks,

Garrick