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There are snows produced. My question is "How do we/you know it is a snow? They have not yet been proven. Could they be a faded albino? I am into this project and was just wondering what and when I hatch out an animal with pale yellow if it is a snow?
I see on NERD's available spider page that they say possible super spider. No one knows how to describe them. Just my thought for the day!!!

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From the snow pics I have seen, they are more white than that. Got a better pic of yours??
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I have seen snows on pics and in person....and they look like this pic to me.........they too have yellow.....

so ,,as he says......How do you know??????????

(matter of fact......I saw this snake before it even shed...and told them that it "may" be a snow.....they should keep it....)....peope don't listen........

hint;....her daddy is butterscotch colored (at least when little)....not yellow........butterscotch.......so what is going on with him????.........something......for sure.......something..........

I would have kept them both and bred daddy to her........

yep.....

lmao........

JYReptiles.............

This photo was taken with permission by Ralphie on 9/30/02.
One is a paradox albino and the other a snow! Are these what you are talking about?

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message required.pain in ars

If you breed it to an albino, and produce albinos, and to and axanthic, and produce axanthics then it is a snow. I was just giving my guess as to what it is...
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If the question is: In a double het snow to double het snow breeding, how do I tell the snow, it should be easy because you will have albinos there to compare the "snow" too. If someone has a snow for sale, and you doubt the legitimacy of the snow, that would be a different situation all togather.

Dave

Not a bad thought, but I think if you HAVE a snow, then you could make an educated guess on what it is.
Do you have a snow?

I guess his point is that NO ONE yet knows for certain that they have a snow. I have little doubt that all of the ones yet claimed to be snow (I've not heard that claim of this one or anything about it's source or parentage) probably are but technically they aren't proven yet. It's good to examine all the possibilities, even at the risk of stepping on toes.

not sure what it actually is......as said...cannot tell by looking.....father is butterscotch yellow.......kewl........(as mentioned above).......

........time.................

yep

Are you saying that the father is a genetic butterscotch ghost? Where either or both parents expected to have the possibility of having the albino and/or some type of axanthic gene?

not sure what it actually is......as said...cannot tell by looking.....father is butterscotch yellow.......kewl........(as mentioned above).......

........time.................

not sure what it actually is......as said...cannot tell by looking.....father is butterscotch yellow.......kewl........(as mentioned above).......

.......time..............

Maybe you're right.
I guess I've never seen this guy post anything that wasn't directed at someone in particular.
Hence toe stepping.

I have only one question.
If I didn't like you and you knew it, would you post a picture of my animals no matter what the topic or would your morals get in the way?

My point Randy. No one can be sure. When Kevin @ NERD was not for sure about what he has he said possible. This snow thing is in its infancy. Again my point. A snow boa and a snow corn seem to look the same. Like a faded charcoal. My blizzard corn has yellow but not like the yellow in the ball python. And one in 16 thing - the odds are against you. When we have 50-100 snows we might just get the answer. I am not attempting to diss anyone - Just trying to get facts and an understanding of what a snow looks like. I am working with three lines [VPI, SK, Jolliff] .
Why no snows in 2003? Humm?
The picture I posted looked so pale that maybe it was a snow. When it shed it looked like a pale albino. But since no one knows it might be a snow. I am going to breed it to an axanthic.Might wash out yellow? Or maybe to a normal = dh babies?
We all might be dead before we know what a snow looks like.
Breed snow back to normals/ then breed back babies to parent.
Perhaps VPI could shed some light on this.
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I think all as of now do have the yellow.
Perhaps I am wrong.
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he? He will be the first (speculation) to breed snow to snow.Then we will see.
Another issue to the snow is generally the azanthic browns out with age (Except for certain lines). We'll have to see if these genes play through on the snow. If this happens (brown out) it will be a long experiment for an albino look alike.
Another thought while we're at it. The spider ball has a huge appetite including the normal offspring of a spider to normal breeding. If these animals have the genetic make up of huge eaters why not breed the poor feeding pieds to the spider x normal normal looking offspring that prove to be great feeders.Through the normal appearance spider hets for pied perhaps the feeding gene will be passed on. Or worse. vise versa, poor feeding habits will be passed on.
I was told by a breeder in New England that the spider normals have the big appetite. I'm guessing that because a color a pattern gene isn't passed on there still would be genetic traits passed on by the parent.The parent is still 1/2 of the offsprings genetic make up. Some thoughts.

i agree that we (the herp community) need to breed the pieds with the spider lines. it would be a shame to lose a beautiful line like that to under eating.

Snows are a different animal than leucistics entirely. Snows are the simultaneous expression of two simple recessive traits. Leucy's are unknown genetics, as far as I know. Has anyone heard of a leucy to leucy breeding? What were the offspring?

Regards,

Neil