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Children's Python feeding question

rachel4rent Jun 18, 2009 01:15 PM

My children's python is probably around a month old. I fed her a small pinky on Sunday, she defecated on Tuesday and I fed her one again on Wednesday. Is this a good routine and how long should I keep it up before feeding her weekly? I guess my main question is should I order 100 or 200 small pinkies? Or 100 small and 100 larger? Ugh! Decisions. I don't know how you breeders do it!
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Rachel ^_^

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0.1. Children's Python (Lily)
1.0. Cuban Knight Anole (Nole-ski)
0.1. Red Eared Slider (Timmy)
1.0. Yellow-Bellied Slider (Winston Sunshine)
1.0. Red-Bellied Slider (Lil' Devil)

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1.0. Grey Tabbie Cat (Cuddles)
2.0. Chinchilla (Sebastian & Peatree)
0.1. Brown hooded rat (Acorn)

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rachel4rent Jun 18, 2009 01:18 PM

Also. Is Rodentpro.com ok or should I go with someone like TheMouseFactory.com or another breeder that ships frozen?
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Rachel ^_^

----- Reptiles -----
0.1. Children's Python (Lily)
1.0. Cuban Knight Anole (Nole-ski)
0.1. Red Eared Slider (Timmy)
1.0. Yellow-Bellied Slider (Winston Sunshine)
1.0. Red-Bellied Slider (Lil' Devil)

----- Other -----
1.0. Grey Tabbie Cat (Cuddles)
2.0. Chinchilla (Sebastian & Peatree)
0.1. Brown hooded rat (Acorn)

pooter Jun 18, 2009 02:50 PM

Rachel - I would slow down a bit actually - feed about once a week. This will be enough as the snake grows, once it nears maturity and starts to slow in growth - you can adjust your feeding routine to fit the snakes needs.

Like many of the aussie species - they will develop health issues related to obesity - so keep it lean, and you will have a much better experience with your pet.

zach_whitman Jun 19, 2009 04:52 PM

You should only buy 100 small pinkies, or less if you can. Your snake should outgrow small pinkies quickly. (IE after 10-12 weeks) They are not very nutritious. It will be onto larger stuff in no time. If this is your only snake it may be worth it to buy food locally until your snake is on its adult size prey.

As far as a feeding schedule... this is something that is hotly debated and for the life of me I can't figure out why. Snakes do not care about your schedule. A week means nothing to them. All that matters to them is whether they are hungry or not and whether or not they have the conditions that they need to digest and grow rapidly. My snakes have different conditions than yours so how could we say that we will all just feed our snakes once a week.

Assuming your temperature gradient is really good, you should be able to feed your snake as much as it wants!

People will tell you that your snake will get fat. I used to believe this as well. A YOUNG snake WILL NOT GET FAT IF IT HAS THE RIGHT CONDITIONS, it will just grow faster. If conditions are marginal and the snake can not control its metabolism then obesity/regurgitation/constipation/pin head syndrome ect all may result from overfeeding. This does not apply 100% to adult snakes.

No one should ever feed their snake once a week. You should feed based on your conditions and your snake. If your snake is not fat and it is still eating small pinks after 3 months, you need to feed more often! If its not hungry it won't eat. If its out every night looking for food... feed it. If its under its hide digesting its last meal... leave it alone. Going by poop is OK but not all snakes are the same. Many animals will eat a few times between each defication.

rachel4rent Jun 20, 2009 09:19 PM

Thank you!
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Rachel ^_^

----- Reptiles -----
0.1. Children's Python (Lily)
1.0. Cuban Knight Anole (Nole-ski)
0.1. Red Eared Slider (Timmy)
1.0. Yellow-Bellied Slider (Winston Sunshine)
1.0. Red-Bellied Slider (Lil' Devil)

----- Other -----
1.0. Grey Tabbie Cat (Cuddles)
2.0. Chinchilla (Sebastian & Peatree)
0.1. Brown hooded rat (Acorn)

pooter Jun 21, 2009 05:21 PM

I am sorry Zach - but there are a lot of things you are stating as fact that is simply wrong.

I don't disagree that snakes could care less about time frames such as weeks - but it is a good rule of thumb for a healthy schedule if the young snake is kept properly - and keeping it on schedule will help with owner - giving them structure. I think it is humans that need that the schedule - not the snakes.

As for feeding a snake that is growing as much food as it wants - that is dangerous. Snakes eat out as a result of prey presenting itself - not because they are hungry. By instinct, many species will eat anything available, simply because it doesn't know when its next chance will be. This is instinct and can't be removed.

As for snakes "just growing faster" if you feed more aggressively - this is also very very dangerous advice. There is scientific evidence that power feeding is dangerous to snakes and greatly increases the possibilities for organ issues, fatty tumors etc. Not to mention a ton of evidence that shows it results in shortened life spans.

You state that a young snake "will not get fat if it has the right conditions" - again completely and totally false, and reckless advice. That makes as much sense as saying a human child won't get fat - it will just grow faster - it is simply not true and there are a lot of juvi snakes out there that look like sausages. While snakes will grow faster on an aggressive schedule - they can absolutely become obese before reaching adult hood - and while the cage conditions will have an impact here - it will not prevent it. This does vary greatly between species - but there is no doubt that "feeding as often as snake is hungry" can cause irreversible damage.

The reason the topic is so debated is there are so many people out there that give poor advice and refuse to look at the facts.

There are many conditions that will dictate when a person should feed - however - with a new keeper and a young snake - 1/week is good rule of thumb.

To advice someone to feed "when a snake is hungry" is simply ignorant. If I followed that - I would be feeding womas EVERY day and they would be wider then they are long.

zach_whitman Jun 25, 2009 08:51 PM

"I don't disagree that snakes could care less about time frames such as weeks - but it is a good rule of thumb for a healthy schedule if the young snake is kept properly "

No its not a good time frame. At all. In fact I would argue that for some species (notably the small ones) that is just barely adequate to stay alive and grow slowly. I feed my anthill pythons at least twice per week when they are little. And a pinky is an enormous meal. I just wait for the lump to disapear and for them to leave their heat pads, then I feed them again. They eat much more often in August when the cool side is 80 and somewhat less often in october when they are a little bigger and the cool side is at 74. Hot sides are around 95 if you're curious. I believe that feeding on a weekly basis is USELESS advice. The only reason to do it is because its convenient for you to remember. Sorry.

"and keeping it on schedule will help with owner - giving them structure. I think it is humans that need that the schedule - not the snakes."

Exactly!

Why would snakes need a schedule? They have a variable metabolism specifically designed to deal with a lifestyle of extremely inconsistent amounts of food and external heat.

"As for feeding a snake that is growing as much food as it wants - that is dangerous. Snakes eat out as a result of prey presenting itself - not because they are hungry. By instinct, many species will eat anything available, simply because it doesn't know when its next chance will be. This is instinct and can't be removed."

I used to believe this as well but I have seen results that prove it otherwise. I will not come on here and state as fact what I do know so I will explain what I have seen with my own eyes. All of this experience is with small pythons, colubrids, boas, geckos, ect. Never womas. I have raised all of these animals, at record paces, bred them early, and have had amazing reproductive success and LONGEVITY. I am not trying to brag, I am just saying this to point out that I got those results and yet had no eggbinding or pinheads or obesity or any of the other things that people all said would happen. And none of my snakes eat once a week.

"As for snakes "just growing faster" if you feed more aggressively - this is also very very dangerous advice. There is scientific evidence that power feeding is dangerous to snakes and greatly increases the possibilities for organ issues, fatty tumors etc. Not to mention a ton of evidence that shows it results in shortened life spans."

Really? I would love to see this "scientific evidence". I have only seen a few actual studies and they were all poorly done. Obviously obesity and tumors shorten lifespan. But I don't think that the food is the cause of this. I think it is suboptimal conditions combined with a strong prey drive that is the problem.

"You state that a young snake "will not get fat if it has the right conditions" - again completely and totally false, and reckless advice. That makes as much sense as saying a human child won't get fat - it will just grow faster - it is simply not true and there are a lot of juvi snakes out there that look like sausages. While snakes will grow faster on an aggressive schedule - they can absolutely become obese before reaching adult hood - and while the cage conditions will have an impact here - it will not prevent it. This does vary greatly between species - but there is no doubt that "feeding as often as snake is hungry" can cause irreversible damage."

Hahaha. Well I guess this really sums up the disagreement doesn't it? I have seen the results over and over again.

"The reason the topic is so debated is there are so many people out there that give poor advice and refuse to look at the facts."

I know there are SOOO many people out there who keep repeating the same arcane garbage (....ahem...weekly feeding) because someone told them so, or it was written on the care sheet their breeder gave them so it must be true! Instead of trying things and seeing what happens.

Let me ask you... have you ever seen these results? Have you ever fed a snake until it was obese and then have it die of a fatty tumor? I bet that you have not and that you pride yourself on your collection and are arguing with me because your schedule works OK for you and your snakes and you have heard that if you overfeed you will see these problems. I work in a vet hospital and I have seen a lot of these things. Its usually the conditions.

"To advice someone to feed "when a snake is hungry" is simply ignorant. If I followed that - I would be feeding womas EVERY day and they would be wider then they are long."

I would like to remind you of two things. First of all my advice was directed at someone with a children's python. I did not say that this applies to everything. Go try my theory with an Emerald tree boa and see how that goes! I don't know anything about womas and even though I suspect they could grow like weeds I won't say what I haven't seen... and they are not what we are talking about.

I would also like to remind you that we are only talking about young rapidly growing snakes here.

I really hope you have some evidence to show me because I would love to read it.

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