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If i get a captive hatched will it be more aggressive and/or skittish than a captive breed one?

the imported Ghana ones are a lot cheaper than captive breed. They are supposedly still hatched in "captive"

all comments and insight welcome

You get what you pay for.......
Captive bred and born means the parents are kept in captivity and are more stable.. Captive hatched useally means that someone in africa caught some balls that were gravid or bred wild caught snakes and when they layed eggs they hatch them out..

born here, nice , helps American breeders

born there, crap ,shipped,held,stolen from nature maybe,why bother, cheap

yep...Wal-Mart theory...buy cheaper ,live better???

...buy American!,,,,

LOL...really , less stressed overall...better....
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Yea, but there is so many sellers nowa days that i don't know if im really getting captive breed anyways.

is there any well known American captive breed ball python seller. I am just looking for a normal one

any breeder that has morphs will be more than able and willing to sell you a normal at a fair price for a top quality normal. you may actually be surprised at the price of some of the more common morphs and be able to purchase one of those just as easily.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

Agreed. Anyone that breeds co doms is going to have normals as a by product that they're going to be more than happy to part with at very reasonable prices.

with prices the way they are, buy a morph....
..really....

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Captive hatched balls are usually produced by incubating eggs from wild collected females. The females are often used for skin or meat after they lay their eggs. The babies are then shipped in cramped conditions and end up over here stressed, dehydrated, and malnourished. A large chunk of them don't survive the trip, and another chunk die in captivity when unsuspecting buyers don't know what they're getting theselves in to.

Captive bred animals are produced here by people who have taken the time to establish animals in the country. Buying offspring from established, stable animals will be more likely to give you babies that will become established and stable. I'm not saying that there is no place for captive hatched animals, but if you don't have much experience with balls, the extra money for captive bred is worth it. Actually, that rule applies to pretty much all snakes, not just ball pythons.

I am new to balls, i have milk snakes, beards and monitors but they all have been "captive breed" for all i know. But it seems that i can only find Ghana captive hatched ones.

Pet-Co has them for 20$ but i hate Pet-Co with all my heart. I went there and got the Python out and he was so sick and his eyes were so grayed over it wasn't even funny, so i left.

that is the perfect example of a captive hatched animal brought in after the first couple of shipments. If you could have gotten one during the first week of availablility you can get very good quality animals, but now it's too late to get them from petco and such. why not spend a few dollars more and get a healthy captive born animal, support the american small business owner.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, an amel tiger retic female, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

spend a few dollars LESS and you can get American made ones...

really...

..........they are out there...everywhere....

...hey, for like 10 more than petco you could get a pastel!...

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Check the classifieds and look into herp shows in your area. You can pick up a U.S captive bred ball at most shows for not much more than they're charging for imports at PETCO.

is there a website for that, i live in Illinois, i did not see anything about it on classified, but i do know i have heard of a small show around Illinois

There are several shows that take place in Illinois. You can google "reptile show illinois" which will give you a fair number of responses, or keep an eye on the "events" section on the front page of kingsnake.com for upcoming shows in your area.

Aside from getting murdered from using Craiglist, do you think it is a good resource, i looked on there and people have ball pythons in my area that are moving and can't have them anymore, some are even free and come with 30-40 gallon tanks. Would id adapt to me if it was a year old or so till, or would it be a better companion if i just started from scratch?

I know people who have got decent snakes by responding to craigs list ads. Use your best judgement when you check the snake out. Don't be terribly surprised if you get an older snake that doesn't want to feed for a while after you get it home. Sometimes moving established balls around throws them off for a while, but they generally come around when they're ready. As far as it taking to you, as long as it's an already calm snake, you shouldn't have any issues.

Year old python with lights, 40L cage, bowls, cave for 100$ sounds pretty good to me, but you know what they say:
"if it seems to good to be true is prolly is"

If you aren't familiar with balls you probably don't want to take over someone elses nightmare that they have on CL just because it's cheap. Find a breeder in your area and get an established pet - they will help you with proper feeding and set up as well.
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Tosha
JET Pythons
Toshas Blog

Herp Medicine does not equal a bottle of Baytril - Dr. Scott Stahl

I bought one of my big breeder females off c list two years ago. She came with pretty much that basic set up and I paid close to $100. Totally worth it, I switched her over to f/t no problem (They said I couldn't switch her) and she was healthy. She's laid two clutchs for me since than and she is one of my best feeders. Just check her out before you hand the money over, you have snakes, you know what healthy ones look like.
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Coolluigi

"You can never have too many hets" - Jim S

0.1 Pastel Pos Het Hypo
1.1 Pastel
1.0 Mojave Poss Het Hypo
1.0 Yellowbelly
1.0 100 % Het Pied
0.8 50% Het Pied
1.7 Normal
0.2 100% Het Hypo (Orange Ghost)
0.2 Spider
1.2 100% Het VPI Axanthic
and soon to be more. *fingers crossed*

40L used garage sale $20
used unwanted ball $20 to $0
lights , sucks
bowl etc free

...100$ too much to some of us.....

Craig's list ....pets to get rid of...free is what adopted pets could ,and should be.....even "rescues" need fees.....why?....they want to help...adopt free in free out....with exception of vet bills....if they use vets....some of us don't....won't......(and I SHOULD have become a vet)....

...anyways....be careful what you want or get.....the worst snake I ever saw were all free....million mites,attitude and not eating balls....boas that were overfed then not fed for 8 months?.....free can cost you more....

....I have given away 5 foot balls free...they were beautiful ,very nice well cared for and well mannered balls that sired hundreds of babies....yes, 5 foot plus....and they should have been worth something, but males just aren't worth anything in this day and age....
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type kingsnake.com into browser,
open main page,
click on any show listed at top of page,
a list of all shows for all year will open up,
there will be some in Ill....

...screw craig's list, "adoption fees" are bull, selling pets is not supose to be on craig's I am told>??? and adoption fees are more than retail on most stuff I see in there....

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Wheaton, IL has a show every month. Plus there is the HUGE tinley park show in october. both of those towns are around the chicago area.

Without getting preachy and judgmental - if you buy CH babies from someone that takes the time to set them up and get them properly started - they are no different than cbb.

That being said -- most of us that have extra normal cbbs have a hard time finding homes for them you might want to check around and see if you can't find someone with some near you bet you'll find they can be reasonably priced.

Good luck!
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Tosha
JET Pythons
Toshas Blog

Herp Medicine does not equal a bottle of Baytril - Dr. Scott Stahl

At my locar reptile expo "White Plains, NY", if you look hard you could find males CBB for about $25.

I found another on craigslist, a woman got a ball python about a month ago and she said when she got it, it was only 2 weeks old and had a shed and 1 feeding of pinky. She has had it a month and she said it has ate only 2 pinkies.

She says she has to many reptiles and does not have room for it.

hmmmm

I am super new to ball pythons so please offer any advice yet again

Thanks in advance, you guys rock!

I have had him for about a month (fed twice- live pinkies) and he was only about two weeks when i got him and only fed and shed once. So, a month and half at most. He's really well behaved- not head shy or anything. I have a bunch of friends that know nothing about snakes that hold him and he doesn't care. I just have way too many reptiles to keep up with feeding and handling.

Is she talking about pinky mice or rats? I've never had a baby ball python voluntarily feed on a pinky mouse. And, at 2 weeks old, a baby ball would have just undergone it's first shed and might not even be feeding yet. There are things about the ad that seem suspect to me.

she said live pinkys:
he is captive bred from a guy in Chicago. I can only get ahold of pinkies every so often that are live. As for baby balls you don't feed them until after their first shed and that's normally a week after they shed and after they get into a new home you shouldn't feed them for a week. so 2 pinkies is perfect for as long as i have had him.

Also i asked her about if she has tried frozen:
he won't eat frozen. Either will my adult ball for some reason. I have tried fresh killed too. Doesn't seem to work.

so i don't know

Ben Siegel has some CH balls that were born in april and another guy has some CH that were born 4 week ago, I dunno what the hell to do i am about to just say screw this. never had such a problem finding a pet i want.

Nobody wants to say that CH are any good when they have baby CB for sale. The TRUTH is when they are imported fresh, early in the season, they are EXACTLY the same as CB. Except for the fact that you can normally get alot better looking CH than CB. And as far as the people that say alot don`t make the trip, well they simply have NO idea of what they are talking about. I`ve been doing this for 25 years and the percentage of dead imports is less than 1%.

And nobody wants to say CB are any better if they've been importing CH for 25 years. How many people that import CH go through the trouble of getting them established and feeding before they sell them? If you do, good for you, and, in that case, yes, they are essentially just as good as a CB. Most of the people I've seen, though, rehydrate them and try to move them out to make a quick buck. And while I may not have been directly importing balls for 25 years, I worked in a retail pet shop for 11 years, and by this time of year, the majority of CH babies pet stores are getting in have been sitting at a wholesalers for a while, and are generally in less than ideal condition when they get to the store. As far as the far better looking thing, I don't know exactly how you arrived at this conclusion, as most of the "interesting" ones seem to get snatched up by breeders or importers before they're ever offered to the general public, and the ones offered for sale, at least the ones I've seen, don't look any better or worse in appearance than their CB counterparts.

I`m simply stating that CH and CB are the same (quality wise). You have good importers and good breeders. On the other hand some are not responsible and don`t take care of their animals properly. I`ve bought CB pastels that have looked horrible when i get them in from breeders. And i guess i`m a little biased when i say that CH are better looking because i get first pick on them when they come in, but i also pack out alot of screamers. I breed quite a few balls and 95% of my normal female breeders are CH.