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This fall Im going to be pairing an Albino Motley X Hypo Motley het Albino. What is the possible odds of me producing a Sunglow Super Motley aka, (red devil)

The Red Devil is the Hypo Super Motley so I guess the Albino version would be a Sun Devil. With all the talk of the Hypo Motley Gene and how it works I couldn't tell you what the odds are of you getting one or if there's even a chance of you getting one.

It has been done in the past. They were still born. After this season i'm sure we will know for sure!

Well seems like the season is just about comming to an end shortly and still no word on any super mots.

Just wondering my chances of producing
Albino Super Mots
Hypo Super Mots
Sunglow Mots

just about everything with motleys....

Sunglow motleys
Albino Super motleys
Albino Motleys
Hypo Motleys het albino
Super Motleys het albino
Motleys het albino

Sunglows
Albinos
DH Sunglows
Normals het albino

So just about everything under the sun as far as motleys go will come from that pairing, But the hypo gene thrown into the motley mix reacts differently and still has yet to be proven either way.

I would actually agree with the other 2 posts, and say your odds are not very good. To my knowledge, the red devil has only been produced once, by Jeremy Stone. And yes it was stillborn.

I talked to Jeremy about it, and he believes he has the genes all figured out. He believes that breeding a hypo mot x hypo mot would give him a 1 in 64 chance of a red devil. Only reason he would get the red devil is because both parents would carry the hypo gene, while you are going to attempt to breed only one animal with the hypo gene.

I am not a genuis when it comes to genes, but here is my take on it.....

It has yet to be completely proven, but so far it is looking like the hypo gene and motley gene do not travel together into offspring. They seperate. Therefor breeding a hypo motley to a normal would only give you motleys, hypos, and normals. Not producing any hypo motleys. That being said, breeding a hypo mot x hypo mot will actually produce hypo motley offspring, but it is because the hypo gene comes from one parent, the motley gene would come from the other.

I personally would try your pairing just for the sake of proving things a little further, but I really would not get my hopes up of producing a red devil or sun devil. My honest opinion says the Red Devil was a freak snake that unfortunately didn't survive, woulda been awesome if it did! I don't think it will prove out genetic. Hope I am wrong though, its happened before! lol

So with this being said, I should have at least a good chance to produce an albino super mot, correct..

I would say yes.... its hard to say when you are mixing so many genes together at once, and possibly having so many different kinds of offspring in one litter. But in theory, yes you would have a pretty good shot at the albino Super Mot

Albino X het albino -->
1/2 albino
1/2 normal het albino

hypo X normal -->
1/2 hypo
1/2 normal

motley X motley -->
1/4 super motley
2/4 motley
1/4 normal

So the probability of a sunglow is 1/4, and the probability of an albino super motley is 1/8, which isn't bad. (These are what to expect. Actual results may differ.)

If motley and hypo assort independently, the probability of a hypo super motley would be 1/8. I've seen the claims that hypo motley X normal produce only hypos and motleys, but I haven't seen any numbers to back up the claims. So I am not convinced that the claims are true. But even if the claims are not true, I'd guesstimate the chance of a hypo super motley at somewhere in the 1/50 to 1/1000 range.

Good luck.

Paul Hollander

Albino Motley x Hypo Motley het Albino. At this point I agree the theory that Hypo and Motley are the same locus is not proven leaving two possibilities of outcomes but how do you come up with "I'd guesstimate the chance of a hypo super motley at somewhere in the 1/50 to 1/1000 range." ??

Of course you could only get one if they do not reside on the same locus but then Hypo is 1/2 and super Motley is 1/4 so Hypo super Motley would be 1/8. Of course factoring in albino it'd be 1/16 Sunglow super Motley and 1/16 DH Sunglow super Motley.
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Dave Colling

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If the hypo and motley mutants have the same location in the genome, then a hypo super motley (AKA red devil) boa is is a chromosomal abberation or some other fluke of nature. If the hypo and motley mutants are located close together in the genome, then the chance of a hypo super motley from this sort of mating cannot be higher than 1/8. So the actual probability must be somewhere between 1/8 and zero. But if it was near 1/8, Jeremy Stone or somebody would have already produced one.

Actually, the 1/50 to 1/000 guesstimated range is closer to a guess than an estimate.

1/1000 is a nice, round number that isn't quite zero.

I picked 1/50 because I didn't want the original poster to be too optimistic. If that's too low, then he could get a delightful surprise sooner than hoped. But lower probabilites have been documented in lab mice and other species.

Paul Hollander

Actually breeding a hypo motley to a normal will give you hypo's and motley's.....no normals, and no hypo motley's
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Kevin Stewart

Frank Martin produced 2 red devils last year that were live born and lasted about a day. I didn't see them live but saw the frozen dead animals and they were very colorful and both had similar color which was very different from a super motley born in the same litter. I would definitely yry the breeding and see what happens.
Bill Kirby

Well lets see some pics!