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"well jerry ALL snakes bred in captivity are "creations" whether they are from the same hillside/sp./ssp./genus or not. you think your Z's arent captive creations???
also you must not know lgg because these look nothing like chainkings."

First and foremost, I really dislike the word "must". I "must not know"......how do you know that? At first glance, I thought your little concoctions were, in fact, chain kings......until I took a closer look. Try to not be so absolute.....it's like making assumptions. Not good.

Secondly, the kind of creations in my camp are relatively linear and come from relatively the same areas thus bred as true as possible. A nigra and a campbelli? You then have something quite different there Magillicuddy.....and you know that of course. Don't you????

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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Oh my God, I just fell out of my chair looking at that photo!!! Where can I get one?

Jerry...I am on your side of the hybrid controversy, but what all of us do in our hobby is "selective propagation"....even with locale specific animals found yards from one another.

What snakes do while breeding in their locale is not known by us....We do not know what wild pairs will breed....Multiple mates, etc.......What we do know is this...."Natural Selection" takes place.....

Yes...Your animals are 'pure'....And great looking specimens to boot....

And yes...Thomas Davis' hybrid is neat looking IMHO, but I wouldn't want one...many people do want these 'crosses' though...So to each his own....

Regards,
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John Lassiter

"Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part....."

Whew....I hate the tension sometimes, but felt the need to stretch my legs a bit. Again, I understand wholly what you're saying, and YES, to a great degree we selectively breed in captivity. That's herp-stuff 101......I was and will always refer to the completely unnatural selection of taking two distinct creatures that come nowhere in contact in the wild and then manipulate that under captive conditions. I don't and will never, ever fathom that. Others get their kicks, fabulous.

As far as Tom, I was just being humorous about the "mad scientist" gig and wished 'em well with what he produced. No harm, no foul. But then to take it a step further? Okaaaay.....*ding, ding*......Round 1. LOL.
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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Jerry, I wish you lived closer. We are both still up---might as well go road cruising!!! Ha ha. We need to go to bed before we get a different kind of time out!

Funny, i was just thinking the same thing when I saw you up with a "new" post.....but the Mrs woke up about 15 minutes ago to do work on her laptop and I'm floating between my work laptop and personal laptop.......as well as thawing HOPPER MICE for my ADULT z's.........LOL. Multi-tasking at its finest......and I would absolutely kill to go road cruising in the Barrens after having had all this rain. Christ, now I'll never get to sleep thinkin' like this.

Oh yeah, glad you're happy with the z's. Small pinks now.....you try shoving an adult mouse dowmn it's throat my guarantee is null and void. LMFAO...
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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

LMOA!!

I'm half italian and half irish what does that make me?
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson

Tony,
I'm Irish and American Indian..........
Born to drink! LOL!!!!!
-Phil
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Work is the curse of
the drinking class!

Really really moody and marinated....?????

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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

...Irish and stays out all night???

Pati-o'furniture.....??
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

actually if we applied the same standard it would make me a mutt!
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson

nice little wild bugger . . . how's your coming along?

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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

Good. Produced a cool dozen hypos this year. Most from the southern cross line.
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson

So what has happened to the hypo scarlet kings?
Albinos?
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

crimsonking.piczo.com/

I sold the project to Chriss N. Best hands I could think of putting it into.
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“Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind.” Emmerson

Whats with all the Italians marrying Irish in New York? Its just a weird phenomenon. BTW, I'm Italian, and my wife is Irish.. from New York.
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Mark

jerry my name is thomas.
lets address some things...

>First and foremost, I really dislike the word "must". I "must not know"......how do you know that? At first glance, I thought your little concoctions were, in fact, chain kings......until I took a closer look. Try to not be so absolute.....it's like making assumptions. Not good.

>>> i didnt assume anything. the fact is these crosses look NOTHING like chainkings and anyone that knows lgg could tell without doubt at a glance. concoctions? no, cool one of a kind captive creations? yes

>Secondly, the kind of creations in my camp are relatively linear and come from relatively the same areas thus bred as true as possible. A nigra and a campbelli? You then have something quite different there Magillicuddy.....and you know that of course. Don't you????

>>>well thats nice and locality breeding is cool. of course even individuals found under the same rock MAY NOT have bred in the wild we simply dont no what selections are made in the wild but you of course know and understand that dont you??? and hey im glad you are into being linear, im not i wanna push the limits. i am sorry if that offends you, well actually im not its my right. and ftr there were no tricks used at all in this pairing. simply housed together with hope and viola! nature happens.
,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Okay.......THOMAS.......(this is too funny),

no need for apologies.....you do your thing.

Back to our regularly-scheduled programming folks........
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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

yeah ok jerry

,,,,,,,,,thomas
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

That was AWESOME............now I have to see the whole movie...........thanks THOMAS, I really enjoyed those two minutes of TOMfoolery. Or maybe next time a clip from TOM and Jerry?.......or maybe an outtake of TOM Selleck Magnum PI......or the video from TOMMY Tutone's "867-5309"?........wait a moment -- hafta get to Daytona this year -- have you seen my Tom-Tom?........... oh I could go on forever.

Seriously though, great clip. I may peruse it once more.....

Jer
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Jerry Kruse

And God said, "Let there be zonata subspecies for all to ponder..."

I really hope you both feel pretty,,,oh so pretty, oh so pretty and witty and gay.....

HA

........nutcases abound....I love this sheet.....

....,,,the sad part is...who the help remembers what this is all about or started it?....

and maybe if we remember....I would breed a campbelli to it...wait...them snakes don't lay...well...closer...the one actually laid 6 wet soggy bags ....!...getting closer....LOL

...really.....let's all go snakin'again .....oh oh oh...and speaking of hybrid....Mike Jack's son is dead...long live the queen..........

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1(1.normal,.1mojave,2.1 spider mojaves)
2(1.normal,1.pastel,spider?Huh,.1blast)1 dud 2 boobs died...
3(2pastelghost,3pastel,1normal....)
4(2normal,7 pastel...)

I think it might be possible to recycle him. He is mostly plastic. Ha Ha.

Jerry I asked you not to post pics of my project but since you have now let cat(or goat)out of the bag you may as well see the latest version

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A bad day in the field is better then a good day at work

Doug L