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GB police seize venomous snakes, frogs

EricWI Jun 24, 2009 09:13 AM

GREEN BAY - A Green Bay teen who likes taking care of exotic pets had his hobby turn on him Sunday. Police said the 17-year-old was bitten by one of his own venomous rattlesnakes.

When rescue crews went inside the home at 1808 Canary Lane to assist , they found a number of other exotic animals. The city's animal control team was called in to help, and 11 poisonous dart frogs, 2 southern speckled rattlesnakes, and seven other non-venomous creatures were removed.
"If it's not indigenous to the area, you can't have it without a permit," Green Bay police Lt. James Runge said. "You potentially could get a permit for certain animals but if it's venomous or poisonous you can't even get a permit for it, it would be illegal to have."
Neighbors have identified the injured teen as Nick Howell. He was listed in stable condition Sunday at St. Mary's hospital in Green Bay. Officials there confirmed he has since been transferred to UW Hospital in Madison.
Neighbors tell FOX 11 that the family had had all kinds of animals in the home for years, but they said they had no idea just how many dangerous creatures were inside.
"I guess if he wants to have them over there it doesn't bother me, a little bit surprised, but it doesn't bother me," Steve Rosenthal, a neighbor, said.
Rosenthal, whose 11-year-old son often hangs out at the home, said he knew about some of the exotic creatures. Although Rosenthal said the kids are always supervised by Howell's parents so he has never worred about something bad happening.

"If that's what he wants in his house, that's fine. Like I said, I don't think I'd ever have them in my house (but) that's their choice," Rosenthal added.
Authorities, however, said both families should have been more careful. Some lists put the colorful dart frog as the most poisonous creature on Earth. It's lethal toxins can absorb right through human skin.

"They look really cool and you want to pick them up. What they're telling me is one of these little frogs has enough poison to kill 10 people," Runge said.
In this case, however, it was one near-fatal bite from a rattlesnake.
"Hope he's doing alright but these are wild animals, that's what they do," Rosenthal said.
The venomous snakes and frogs are all headed to the Milwaukee County Zoo for an exhibit.
FOX 11 did tried to contact the Howell family for comment but our calls were not returned. Police are recommending either charges or citations be issued but a decision has not been made yet by the Brown County District Attorney's office.
http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/news_wluk_police_seize_creatures_200906221752_rev1

Replies (6)

CSRAJim Jun 24, 2009 12:03 PM

Eric,

Thanks for this post of this unfortunate incident in Green Bay. It's unfortunate in that this will be more ammunition for the AR wackos for MORE regulation and that the kid was envenomated by one of his rattlesnakes...Speaking of which, how did the kid (minor) acquire them in the first place?

Judging from the article, I assume that it is illegal to sell "hots" in Wisconsin so, where/how did he acquire them & who did he acquire them from? Every "hot" show that I've attended, the breeders there ALL required paperwork before they would sell a "hot" specimen and from talking to them, they would not "ship" a venomous specimen either (pick-up in person ONLY). Whoever sold a minor child two venomous specimens did us all a great disservice here and provided more ammo for wackos...Or perhaps one of the parents acquired it for him...In any case, the specimens (and the frogs) were transported across state lines...

Regarding the poisonous frogs, I'll bet they were a show acquisition and if I'm correct, they were CB and in all probability, non-venomous (venom acquired from food?)...I sincerely doubt that a 17 year kid made a collecting trip to South America to acquire those frogs...

Another unfortunate aspect here is the lack of knowledge by the media (nothing new here) which leads to the sensationalism of fear for a headline...The "neighbors" within the community in turn are now more likely to vote in "approval" for more ordinances to further restrict private herping...

This is just a bad deal all the way around...With this kind of publicity, I hope that the sale of those two "hot" specimens was worth it...Just my opinion about this sad event...

Later,
Jim.

PS: I wonder what "southern speckled rattlesnake" they are talking about...Did they mean C. mitchelli pyrrhus?
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jscrick Jun 24, 2009 12:45 PM

I'm not aware of any deadly poisonous Dart Frogs in the U.S.
jsc
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PHFaust Jun 25, 2009 10:09 AM

Hey Jim,

It really depends on where you are in WI on what you can own. There is no state wide ban as far as I am aware on maintaining venomous reptiles. There is also no state wide ban on owning crocodilians either. However everything is left to local municipalities. I know we have several venomous breeders and until recently at least 1 reptile show that sold venomous. I would hope that the vendors at that show did not sell to someone under 18, but I had never attended.
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CSRAJim Jun 25, 2009 10:40 AM

Cindy,

Sincere thanks...

So the story from GB is probably an ordinance (city/county) as opposed to state reg's in your opinion and without researching state codes?

I know that during the ensuing "investigation" (that will most certainly occur) regarding the GB incident, the five W's and the how questions will be answered...

IMO, this will be ammo for the AR agenda...None of this is good...

Later,
Jim.
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CSRAJim

PHFaust Jun 25, 2009 11:08 PM

>>Cindy,
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>>Sincere thanks...
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>>So the story from GB is probably an ordinance (city/county) as opposed to state reg's in your opinion and without researching state codes?
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Hey Jim,

Its all local

Animal Ordinance Highlights

Ordinance 8.04 Keeping of Exotic Animals Prohibited
(a) Exotic Animal. Those species of animal that are not domesticated by humans. Exotic animals include, but are not limited to, animals belonging to any or all of the orders and families on the Prohibited Animal List as adopted by the Common Council. Some exotic animals prohibited by this ordinance include:
bats, deer, bears, most snakes, scorpions, etc. If you are not sure if an animal is allowable, contact the animal control officer or review the full text of Ordinance 8.04 .

Unfortunately, the link that takes you to the ordinance is broken.
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CSRAJim Jun 26, 2009 04:33 PM

Cindy,

Sincere thanks...Interesting that they leave the regulation (ordinance) vague "most snakes" and want you to call them to inquire...

I would assume that they have it written down somewhere to answer the question when you call (and could produce the list in court)...So why can't they just post it so you can read it for yourself? I wonder why that is...

Later,
Jim.
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