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a proven genes

sorry about the miss spell. i ment to say is the paradox a proven gene

Nope - a paradox is random.
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Tosha
JET Pythons
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Herp Medicine does not equal a bottle of Baytril - Dr. Scott Stahl

that might not be necessarily true
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Jon and Amanda
www.albinosunlimited.com

I agree Jon, I don't think ALL Paradox's will just be random, but that's just my opinion I guess.

Anthony McCain

I think we are going to see that there is a hidden gene mixed in there some where. People have yet to breed it out. I know a few people who have produced more than a few paradox animals. If it was truly random I would expect it to be for a lack of a better word more random. I know some people think it might have to do with shatter pattern animals. I think it has to just do with a normal looking animal that carries the gene. Since most paradox happens in het to het breeding you can assume those animal are probably related. You are hitting on hetxhet albino and hetxhet paradox. So really it would be a double morph and need the double hets to produce it.

Like you said this is just a guess
Jon
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Jon and Amanda
www.albinosunlimited.com

I have a clutch hatching out today and found it quite interesting that someone was asking about Paradox's today. I say this as this robust male Ivory just hatched out here today. Without going into details about what I think is going on genetically this little bad boy "just happened" to hatch out right in the midst of this discussion! Random? Ya maybe , or just a coincidence within a coincidence I guess, that sort of thing happens all the time right, LOL!!!

That's why when I looked at Jon's post I had to agree with him and respond. I think there may be ways to increase the odds of hitting some of this stuff, again not getting into it now , just my opinion for now so I'll just leave it at that!

He's not as extreme as the other weird Ivory I have (which I didn't produce by the way) but regardless this baby Ivory isn't a normal looking Ivory by any means in my eyes.

Anthony McCain

It looks like he was set on being an ivory and tried to change his mind at the last second. And what perfect timing. I know some people aren't fond of them, but I've always been a fan of paradoxes.

Thanks Jason, glad you like that look. Here's a little better view of the top of his head. That color is very different to me , not dark or alot of black like alot of the Paradox stuff but more like a shade of orange, he's really odd looking in person. Will be interesting seeing what his babies look like.

Anthony McCain

not -- Paradox animals are [bleep]in!!!! I have EXTRA LOVE that one Anthony!!! BREED THAT BAD BOY BACK TO MOM!!!!
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Bill Buchman

Hey Anthony! Did you hatch that paradox from the one you got from Marshall?

No actually he isn't related to the one from Marshall. Probably will try crossing some things later just to see what effects they have on each other .

Anthony McCain

I didn't expect he was seeing how young he is. I was just hoping. But I do hope it proves to be genetic. I guess I'll find out if mine is in 2 years.

I think he is close to big enough now , at least by fall anyway. Good luck with yours, maybe something will line up and shed more light on what's going on with them!

Anthony McCain

Jon said;

Since most paradox happens in het to het breeding you can assume those animal are probably related. You are hitting on hetxhet albino and het x het paradox. So really it would be a double morph and need the double hets to produce it.

I have been quietly following paradoxes since Scott Selstad produced a paradox albino boa constrictor.

So far, (except for the paradox kenyan sand boas) all paradox I have looked into are in clutches or litters in which both a light and dark specimens are expected. In scott's case he had albino and het albino boas. He did chase that one from every angle and could not reproduce it.

A few years ago Discover channel featured a story of a women (human) that had legal troubles because her childrens' blood did not show her as a parent. Later she gave birth again, this time with officials gathering evidence and witnessing the birth. This also showed the baby unrelated to the mother that birthed her. Of course the baby was hers. Scientists and medical doctors looked further and surmised she has a "hidden twin" inside her body. It was this twins ovaries that produced the eggs that became the children in question. This twin had a different father than the women I discuss, thus the babies showed up as unrelated.

I call this "blended embryo" or "blended twin"

From this we learn many things.

The grandmother cheated on her husband.

Testing of blood is not 100% conclusive. (Perish the thought!)

Organisms may have genetic material from more than two parents.

And snakes may have the look of two different morphs, one light and the other dark.

It can also happen in two albinos but we'd never see it. We only see it when contrasting offspring are expected.

This phenomenon is common enough that in cornsnakes they sell for about $500. Believe me, in cornsnakes it has been chased and not proven out. It has happened often enough and they make enough babies that proof comes in just a few years.
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I guess my point is -- so far it's considered a random effect -- if at any point it becomes clearly genetic -- then it's not a "paradox" it's just another gene.
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Tosha
JET Pythons
Toshas Blog

Herp Medicine does not equal a bottle of Baytril - Dr. Scott Stahl

If they're genetic it would be a bonus! I still would have bought these if I knew for a fact there was no chance of them being genetic...

Bad lighting on this one, have to retake a pic of them together...

As far as most know, it is not genetic, but random. I do know I spoke to someone who had a paradox come from the same pairing twice , a male and a female luckily, and they will be putting them together to find out in the future! Pretty cool, if I do say so myself.
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• Chelsea Lynn Gardiner
(and Frank M. Wood)

I think I know what this Paradox thing is.. Two piers resting side by side on the lakeshore.... That is a Pair-a-docks..
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JEM from sunny AZ.

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