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You folks that are out or going out....

Joe Forks Jun 26, 2009 07:33 AM

One of the things we need to be able to do is prove our worth economically. So save your receipts from your snake watching trips.

Also, if you have made friends with any of these establishments that you frequent, get letters on the business letterhead that say we are an important part of the economy of that region.

I am collecting these letters, and we need HUNDREDS of them.

This is something that everyone can do, and it's going to take everyone to get this done. Don't take the chore lightly please.
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Herp Conservation Unlimited
Conservation through captive propagation
Mexicana Group Directory
Photography by Joseph E. Forks

Replies (7)

John Fraser Jun 26, 2009 04:05 PM

Well said Joe & it is easy to save receipts for gas, food, lodging, supplies, turnpike tolls, etc.., I have done this for years & can supply such data myself.

A few days ago while I was in Sanderson, I had the pleasure of meeting one of the Terrell county Commissioners, Mr. Ken Norris, who is the commissioner for my district of Terrell county. I was cutting a large tree on a property that I had purchased last year & gave Mr. Norris all the firewood that we had made from its removal. He came by my home in Sanderson, where we sat for an hour or more on the front porch and I explained my history of snake hunting/keeping and admiration for the desert there. He thought gray bands only occurred in like 3 counties (Val Verde, Terrell & Pecos) & I educated him on the fact of their range from Edwards in the East to El Paso county in the West & that they had a larger range than realized from years ago. When I told him I had found close to 90 of them from the wild, he was suprised, yet I explained that they were not rare, merely secretive & that it was quite likely that unless a person was actually ever looking for them, that you could live in the areas they exist in & never even know they are there. Many folks down there really don't know a thing about alterna & he was interested to learn so much about a snake so few locals know a thing about there. I went on to explain to him about the bad politics that were used in 2007 to pass a new law to outlaw road & road-right-of way collection of snakes in Texas. I told Mr. Norris that not only had I a spent alot of money over the past 27 years from searching for alterna, buying houses and property in Terrell county, but that many, many other herpers had done this as well, taking yearly and sometimes multiple trips to the trans-pecos and that with the passage of the 2007 bill outlawing legal road & ROW collecting now, that this has accomplished nothing other than making honest people outlaws who want to find snakes. Went on to explain how this effectively has hurt local buisinesses from Del Rio to El Paso, as many people have cancelled trips to Texas, choosing to go to other states where road collecting is still legal & allowed. Motels, Restaurants, Gas Stations, even TXWPD have all lost revenue from the ridiculous current law that is in place, outlawing snake hunting along public roads. I also informed Mr. Norris that there had been no verified traffic accidents, that were caused as a result of years & years of road collecting for snakes in West TX as far as I had known or ever heard. After our long talk, he understands the importance of herping & what herpers bring to Texas, he IS on our side. We need to get the word out to more of the locally elected people in Texas, explain & educate them on our hobby & the fact that alot of money was spent in the local economies from herping. I think alot of people all accross West Texas really don't realize just how many dollars are spent every spring and summer from the reptile people. They will rally behind us, when it is explained to them from what I have seen. Just my thoughts here, hopefully all of us & the HCU can get this un-american snake law reversed in the future.........John

antelope Jun 26, 2009 11:31 PM

This is the way to go, very encouraging to hear that local elected officials will take the time to listen to our side of the story. We need to visit these offices and invite them for a cup of coffee or lunch when they have time.
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Todd Hughes

Aaron Jun 27, 2009 03:48 AM

Great! I look at it this way, not only are they missing out on our dollars, they are losing money paying for enforcment of a useless law. I look at every new law as a job application from the government and ask myself, do I want to hire them to do this for me.

Damon Salceies Jun 27, 2009 09:38 AM

"I look at every new law as a job application from the government and ask myself, do I want to hire them to do this for me?"

I wish more people thought that way... maybe we'd have an actual choice in whether or not the government gets hired to do the job. Right now it's like sole-source contracting.

Joe Forks Jun 27, 2009 10:02 AM

You have more say than you realize.

If those independent contractors are getting overtime money from Operation Border Star to hassle tourists then I don't want to be the example that is going to be made.
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Herp Conservation Unlimited
Conservation through captive propagation
Mexicana Group Directory
Photography by Joseph E. Forks

Damon Salceies Jun 27, 2009 10:39 AM

I intended my comment to come off as more of a generalized one in reference to the current state of our Federal and State governments and the legislative railroading they specialize in, but I wholeheartedly agree with your comments as they relate to our favorite corner of the world. I know herpers can muscle a spot at the table in Texas...

swwit Jun 28, 2009 08:51 AM

np
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Steve W.

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