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Its been explained to me before, but I can never get it straight. WHat exactly is a hybino Bull? What morphs make and what could someone breed to it to make what? Did I confuse you yet? Because I am confused lol
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Albino hypomelanistic = Hybino

>>Albino hypomelanistic = Hybino

I never understood this.

Thus I ask, why make a "hybino"?
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I also still don't understand this Morph. I get what makes the Hybino, but what I don't get is how the heck you can tell you have one without breeding trials. I have seen baby Bulls marked as Hybino, and I can't tell the difference from it and a normal Albino. Anyone have the answer?
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Aubrey Ross

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There really is not a lot of difference in a good albino bull and a hybino.

It was created to try and enhance the colors in an albino.

I have never seen the need to do so as we have several good lines of albino's already in the hobby.

By out crossing either of the lines to normal animals that have the coloration to enhance the colors you can get the same result. Usually the darkest and ugliest normals produce some of the best albino's with tons of contrast. LOL

Take a look at the diffences in the two albino's in the picture to see what I mean.

Cherryville Farms

Its not always that simple and true it does not sound like it should be possible.

Sunglow albino boas are essentially the same thing, a combination of amel and hypo. It definitely makes a difference in appearance in that case.

It also makes some visable difference in the hybino Honduran milksnakes.

Its not as easy to tell in the bulls. As stated, some of the better lines of albinos already resemble the hybinos.

It makes a distinct difference in the honduran milks and some in the other example you mentioned.

But again the comparison of hybino and good albino bulls is not as clear cut a deal as in the others. I also can show you pictures of "T albino bulls" that would further complicate matters.
Cherryville Farms

>>Its not always that simple and true it does not sound like it should be possible.
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>>Sunglow albino boas are essentially the same thing, a combination of amel and hypo. It definitely makes a difference in appearance in that case.

Not exactly. "hypo" boas ate not the same thing as hypo other stuff. Hypo boas have red replacing black and a pattern mutation too.

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>>It also makes some visable difference in the hybino Honduran milksnakes.

Can you point to images. I see in another post two albino bulls. I cannot tell by looking whcih my be a "hybino". They are different, but so are most snake individuals anywas.

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>>Its not as easy to tell in the bulls. As stated, some of the better lines of albinos already resemble the hybinos.
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That an albino "Stillwater Hypo" bull would look A LOT differnt! Of course I think most are in agreement that Stillwaters are by no means a "true" hypo.

Anybody working on this project?
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Brad Chambers
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The Avalanche has already started-it is too late for the pebbles to vote....

I was not going to get into that, but I agree with you the boa situation is a completely different and does not work within this discussion. As far as the pictures are concerned the top picture is a color bred albino form some butt ugly mormal females bred to a trumbower albino male and then bred back to each other for color.

The bottom two in the bowl are a normal trumbower bull ( the darker one) and an Amarillo albino bull (the lighter one)
Cherryville Farms

Ok, so I have a couple of questions... Help me to understand your use of the term "True hypo". If hypo-melanism is a trait characterized by a noted reduction in black pigmentation then any snake with a heritable (in this case simple recessive), reduction of black pigment relative to the wildtype would be considered "hypo-melanistic" aka hypo, right? (Not to be confused with faded colors of some locality populations of sayi and affinis.) What am I missing? What condition constitutes a so called "true" hypo? Is this a pet trade/breeder devised standard? Or is there an actual genetically "true" hypo condition?

I tend to use the term hypo-melanistic with its actual latin literal meaning....
hypo=meaning reduced, and melanism/melanin= describing the black pigmentation.

If the Stillwater line is not a "true" hypo then what is the correct label that should be placed on this phenotype?

Thanks in advance for any enlightenment anyone can shed on the topic

check out the reduced amount of black pigment on the snake below... hypo-melanistic?