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Hi All,

Just curious if the following animal is infact a true Arcifera of a 'hobby' Arcifera (Ruthveni). I imagine it is a Ruthveni, as by looking at other threads, The Arcifera stands for black arches, And they get this name for a reason as true Arcifera have very large black bands/saddles.

Im afraid this is the only photograph I have of it as it's of a shop. Me being in the UK makes this Jalisco a good find non the least, But if infact Ruthveni, even better.

Kind Regards,

Scott

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That photo looks like a "hobby jalisco" and thats kinda a name or label I placed on them a few years back.They are really Tapalpa Jalisco Ruthveni.True arcifera are actually ugly in person but they are in fact arciferia (arch bearing).

Hobby Jalisco got the name back in the early (80's) when a large group of herpers (from the Dallas Zoo) went to Jalisco in search of "jalisco milks" and when the came across what looked like milks they just assumed they where milks.Not really knowing that Rutrhveni reached that far west they figured they had nabbed there target species.

It wasn't until several years later that Bob Applegate imported true arcifera from the Lake Chapala area that we discovered that there was a problem.
Anyway, long story short we have keyed out the snakes from the Dallas Exposition and discovered that they are really indeed Ruthveni al the way and the nost western known form.

Arcifera,like I said aren't very atractive aniamls and are very unique in shape etc...But they are what they are.
So, if you are looking for a very atractive cherry red clean looking ( almost zonata pulchra looking) animal then go with the "hobby jalisco" or if you want the real deal just to have true arcifera go with the arcifera (lake chapale milks).

I like them both and keep both in my collection.My "hobby Jalisco" line are f3 aniamls from the Dallas Zoo and I have been producing very aberrant animals from them the last 7 years or so and I have f4 aniamals producing this year.

Anyway, I have a pic of a few "hobby Jalisco" and a couple true arcifera for you to view.

L8r Shannon

here are my f2 "Hobby Jalisco's"

here are a few babies from them.

aberrant baby from a few years ago.And her clutch of 4 from her father is hatching as we speak.

here she is as a young adult.

here is a sibling that didn't maske it.

here are a couple true arcifera (Lake Chapala milks.

[img]http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/803baby_chapala.jpg[/img

some are almost totally black and white.

L8r

Nice looking animals you have there! That aberrant one is awesome, love her colors!

Chaz Neely
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Hi Shannon,

Thanks for clearing all the background up. Very interesting read, So basicly "Hobby Jalisco's" are infact a locale of Ruthveni's? So if I was to purchase a pair of them, I would class them Lampropeltis ruthveni.

Seeing as I primarily want L. Triangulum, I think I will pass on them. I'd love the true arcifera though, I really do like the deep black bands, Not ugly in my opinion at all.

Again, Thanks Shannon, Pool of Knowledge!

Scott M

As adults what is the average length of a true arcifera?
Are they as large as ruthveni?
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They are much smaller than ruthveni.My adult arcifera ( and they are pretty old now) are maybe 28-30 inches long and pretty slended.Not heavy bodied like the ruthveni at all.I will take a pic side by side of one of my adult arcifera and one of my adult ruthveni for comparison.

L8r