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I am just curious how other breeders classify translucent's?
These are just my opinions and I would like to hear more input from other breeders.

To me a "super trans" is about the quality of that individual dragon. Just because a parent is considered a super does not make the babies automatically super or breeding trans x trans does not make super trans babies. I think to be classified as a super it must have extremely transparent scales, solid black eyes and absolutely no white especially on the face. I know everyone knows what an actual translucent baby looks like. There is no mistaking it is transparent. A lot of babies I see as trans are marked trans or super just because it has black eyes.

I also think a translucent has to have solid black eyes and transparent skin. White on the dragon is ok as long as it is actually transparent in appearance.

Partial trans is a dragon with none or partial black eyes with translucent skin or a dragon non transparent appearance even if it has black eyes is a partial.
I see a lot up for sale and everyone labels everything "super" and its more of a marketing gimmick now then actual quality of dragon. I think it devalues a true translucent or super trans.

I would just like to hear the opinions of others...
Thanks
DiAnn
www.sizzlindragons.com

I think trans X trans would be the super 'form' (by breeding 2 trans together but not a super trans in the way you are saying. I would like clarification on some of the things you are asking about as well. I was under the impression that a supertrans has less than 3% of white on the face or none and no where else and is hatched out with solid black eyes and is more translucent. I do see a lot of sellers saying super trans in their ads and have wondered how they are classifying them this way.

This is Natasha who is not a Super Trans but a nice Citrus Trans with white on her face (and some shed) that stayed white as her color developed

Here she is in the act with her mate Buddy

And this is Envy who is a Red Super Trans. She has a small amt of white on her face but what is there has a reddish tone to it.

And Envy in with her mate Leo

Let me clarify regarding Envy... anywhere on the face that white would normally be found is a paler reddish tone (like blushing) than the rest of her so it is much lighter in coloration unlike my other trans who have very white stripes on their faces.

I have one Hypo Trans Male that has a startling white on his face unlike any of my other translucents. The white is extremely solid and bright like it was painted on. I wondered why this would be? I mean does this occur more frequently in Hypo Trans? I faintly recall someone's post previously regarding 'white-faced' trans and wondered if someone could explain that as well and if any further breedings were done to increase the white on the head or if those specifically working with translucents are concentrating more on reduction of white. I really like that particular trait and would love to have a mostly white dragon with black eyes as part of my collection.

I just found this from a post from Randy/AlphaDragonz regarding the supertrans... we are looking at a hatchling with solid eyes and no white. Unsure if there are any other qualifiers.

"Ultra Trans (A translucent with no white, completely black eyes and extremely see through) and a Super Trans(A Translucent with no white on it and completely black eyes""

Here is how I classify Translucents:

This is a HypoTrans but the body illustrates the Ultra Trans look well.

Ultra Translucent- These Trans have completely see through bodies. Their eyes are completely black. You can see organs and a blue color all the way through the head. Ultra Translucents are very rare in my collection and in my experience these normally do not thrive or do that well.

Super Translucent- The one on the left is what I would consider a Super Trans they have no white on them whatsoever. Their eyes are completely black. Their body and top of the head should have a bluish or green hue/appearance to it. Their limbs should be pink.

Partial Translucent - The one in the middle is a partial Trans has lots of white and may or may not have black eyes. There are only small patches of translucence.

Normal Translucent- Normal Trans should have black eyes or more than 50% completely black eyes and an overall reduction of white. It should be very obvious upon first sight that they are trans. In the dragon on the right he has completely black eyes but has only a very slight blue or green hue to his body and head. The one on the left is also a normal trans but has a little more white to its body.

Diann you made several good points in your post.

Thanks,

Randy
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>>Here is how I classify Translucents:
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>>This is a HypoTrans but the body illustrates the Ultra Trans look well.
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>>Ultra Translucent- These Trans have completely see through bodies. Their eyes are completely black. You can see organs and a blue color all the way through the head. Ultra Translucents are very rare in my collection and in my experience these normally do not thrive or do that well.
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>>Super Translucent- The one on the left is what I would consider a Super Trans they have no white on them whatsoever. Their eyes are completely black. Their body and top of the head should have a bluish or green hue/appearance to it. Their limbs should be pink.
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>>Partial Translucent - The one in the middle is a partial Trans has lots of white and may or may not have black eyes. There are only small patches of translucence.
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>>Normal Translucent- Normal Trans should have black eyes or more than 50% completely black eyes and an overall reduction of white. It should be very obvious upon first sight that they are trans. In the dragon on the right he has completely black eyes but has only a very slight blue or green hue to his body and head. The one on the left is also a normal trans but has a little more white to its body.
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>>Diann you made several good points in your post.
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>>Thanks,
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>>Randy
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Char, Envy is one of the hottest super trans I have seen! She is definitely a beautiful example.
Randy, thanks for that input. I am pretty much on the same page but I still like my super trans to have a little less white on its face then the baby in that picture but agree 100%.
Here is my hypo trans I-Kandy produced by Bayou City Dragons.
I am not sure if she would be classified as a super trans but she is definitely a saturated trans. She is yellow everywhere including her underside (belly, under tail, arms, neck, legs, arm pits etc). Front legs in shed bottom two pictures. First picture with no flash and last two with a flash.

Thanks for responding Randy and Char. I did not think most would touch this topic but I would like to hear more opinions.
Thanks,
DiAnn
www.sizzlindragons.com
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Thanks DiAnn. Envy's babies are looking awesome as well. Some gorgeous Leathers in there Miss Kandy is looking pretty sweet too! She has really grown.

Randy, so in the Super and Ultra Trans- the lighter areas on the face are pink instead of white? Obviously there is a lot more blue on the head and back as well. Nice pics. Thanks for all that great info

Yes the areas where the white is on your non-Translucent dragons, should be pinkish or bluish green(when young) on your Translucent dragons. They should have an overall bluish green hue where normal dragons are white. Those are some of the criteria I use to classify my Translucents.

Nice Dragons DiAnn and Char!!

Randy

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Hey DiAnn & Char Great Pic's and questions Kandy is looking great and thanks Randy for the great input Mike

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Hello sorry to jump right in but I am new to dragons and just started my collection I have a hypo trans female (partial trans)from ed clark,and a super hypo trans from L.O.D greenish hue throughout with very translusent scales and nice orange red on face and body but am at a loss as to what to breed them to when they mature.I also have a leausistic hypo pastel het for trans male from L.O.D but he and my super trans have the same mother so cannot use him or can I?and last but not least a baby hypo orange italian leahterback completey smooth.MY question is what could I get if I bred my hypo orange leather male to my super hypo trans female?sorry for the paragraph lol a friend pete.