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3 lines combined Caramel

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Kyle
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David Coverdale

so this is a triple recessive?

three Caramel lines combined.
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Kyle
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First off... NICE! I love how the dorsal blushing brings out purple highlights. Can't wait to see how it matures.

But I think what the previous poster was trying to get at(and what I'd really like to know) was... is this animal the product of 2 triple het parents (het for each line) as Vin did in an earlier post. If so, then a big congrats on the odds.

Or... did you breed TSKxBHB and get a caramel... then take that one and breed it to VPI-NERD and get this animal? OR something like that?

So, could hets from this animal be bred to each other to produce like offspring as a simple recessive? Or would you be working with the...(correct me if I'm wrong)1:256 odds of hitting this again, as would be the case with a triple recessive?

I'm probably reading waayy too much into this, but since Vin's discovery with his dbl-hets I've really been contemplating some of these 'lines' and how they'd react to one another.

Thanks,

Allison

Did I mention... AMAZING caramel!... I did?... Oh, well don't think it can be said enough.

Allison,

i bred a VPI-NERD x TSK Caramel with a BHB 100% het female. i produced the male VPI-NERD x TSK Caramel by breeding a VPI-NERD Caramel with a TSK 100% het female. there is NO in breeding of the lines involved. outbreeding the lines was carefully done to make the best Caramels possible. i am sure this is not the only way to go about it but it is how i did it.
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Kyle
www.royalvariations.com

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David Coverdale

...but it's the only way I would do it! One of my long term projects... nice to know there are outbred caramels out there. It makes my long-term project a little shorter knowing there are reputable breeders who go for quality over quantity.

thank you very much, I am very OBESESSIVE COMPULSIVE and sometimes I feel like no one else really cares just how out bred I try to make these Caramels. I must also say that I have some very good friends "other breeders" that do appreciate the time and effort involved to fine tune the quality of these amazing little pythons. Those breeders also selectively breed and we talk about the projects often.

Best of luck and much success to you and your selective breeding projects. When it is said and done, it is very worthwhile. The bonus is, they actually do look better be it color, pattern, etc.

Thanks again and have a great season.

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Kyle
www.royalvariations.com

"be safe, be happy and dont let anyone make you afraid"
David Coverdale

What is the story with Caramel's and the duckbill, I assume same issues with Spiders as wobble/corkscrew. Is there any issue with their function? I have a bumble who corkscrews but is a killer eater (he won't ever be breed unfort), but have heard stories about spiders w. the wobbl es that can't hold their heads straight to eat. Any neurological effects w. duckbills or is it primarily a physical? thx.

never heard of that with Caramels. I also have never hatched a duckbill Caramel. Are you speaking of another morph?
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Kyle
www.royalvariations.com

"be safe, be happy and dont let anyone make you afraid"
David Coverdale

I apologize for confusion, cinnies I believe are the morph I have read about having had a few probelms with the duckbilling. 100% my fault and I apologize for the post and hopefully it did not cause any confusion. Can I get a re-do?

LOL, no problem,,,,,,,,,
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Kyle
www.royalvariations.com

"be safe, be happy and dont let anyone make you afraid"
David Coverdale

While caramels are not known for duckbills, I have seen one. I believe this was due to too much line-breeding, inbreed any animal enough and you're going to run into problems. The other caramel the guy had looked physically normal, but given the deformity in the sibling I had to question the genetic diversity/quality of his breeding stock. I know I won't be getting anything from him in the future.

Now, until recently, caramels did have a problem with kinking. Most of what you see now are small kinks at the end of the tail, though some of the bad ones can be mid-body. If you want to see an example of a badly kinked one, RDR has some video demonstrating this. I have also been warned by a local breeder to watch out for any caramel babies missing the tip of the tail, apparently some bad breeders will nip off a kinked tip so that the baby looks fine... so, as with anything, caveat emptor.

I think that any recessive trait is going to have some problems to work out until a diverse enough gene pool is established so that inbreeding doesn't create any physical deformities. But, as Kyle has so beautifully shown with this combination of lines, I don't think that this should be an issue with caramels anymore.
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Allison

1.1 normals
1.1 yellowbellies
1. pastel DH albino clown
1. DH caramel glow