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Here is the links to some of the miss info, if this was the BOI, I could post several e-mails of the mistake but this is what I have to expain my misunderstaning obaying the rule of this forum. The only thing that I can think of is that the canal lineage is not in south Dad county, because I have a lot of refrences to both(south Dad county)and (the canals)in sevral e-mails starting in 2005 2006 about the 1.1 but not one that combines the two.(south Dad county) (the canals)(Tim rick line)
I got the 1.3 from justin. so what is the lineage of the 1.1 scince they are not from the canals in south Dad and not Tim Rick line?. Hop this helps to explaine my miss info, I just would like to get it right this time,,blue

http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch.php?id=1683659,1683826&key=2009

http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch.php?id=1375480,1377060&key=2007

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D.Dedrick

Those are some amazing looking animals!!!

byron.d

Canal Stock: Usually refers to the descendants of kings that were collected on a few South Dade County canals, like the Brooks Canal. However, kingsnakes have been collected on canals all over South Florida, so someone could call just about any Florida king "canal stock".

Sulfur: Its a high yellow Florida king that originated in Hillsborough County, FL (Tampa area), some 200 or so miles from South Dade. Most of the founder stock was collected in the 80s and early 90s.

Mark Bell has/had a line of South Dade kings he called his sulfur line, but they didn't look at all like what we call sulfurs today. The ones we see today all came from Hillsborough stock.

Lavender: T positive albino type Florida king. The origin is poorly known. A friend of mine collected a gravid female years ago in Palm Beach County that produced a single lavender hatchling. He kept the snake and tried to breed it, but in the many years he had it, it never bred. Another lavender was hatched by Kevin Enge from a wild-caught (possibly wild-gravid) female from Hillsborough County, collected by Dave Justice. I don't know what became of that one. I've also heard of another hatching from a gravid female from the Palm Beach/Broward border. Tim Ricks produced some from a normal Florida king by accident, and I guess that's where his line came from. I don't know which line Steve Osborne's came from, or whether it was a separate line.

Lavenders and T-neg albinos have also been introduced to FL kings from Cal kings and speckled kings. Most Cal king crosses are obvious. The speckled king crosses are not so obvious, but they still look a little off. I have never heard of Lavenders coming out of South Dade stock, or anywhere near the Brooksi area.

If either a sulfur or lavender morph has any South Dade influence, it would have to have been bred in. So there aren't any true South Dade sulfur or Lavender FL kings.

Posted by Foxturtle:

If either a sulfur or lavender morph has any South Dade influence, it would have to have been bred in. So there aren't any true South Dade sulfur or Lavender FL kings.

Hey good post Fox!

Hey did you know two different people called me this season with T neg albino Florida kings that popped out of their collection. I was told they are unrelated to my stock of T negs.

I was told both cases involved two unrelated parents that produced offspring which they subsequently raised up and bred to produce the T negs.
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www.Bluerosy.com

I don't know which line Steve Osborne's came from, or whether it was a separate line.

Steve Osbornes line is the same as Tim Ricks line. In the beginning Steve brokered the animals that Tim produced as well as a few of his own he produced up from Tims stock.
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www.Bluerosy.com

Here’s a link to a cool YouTube video that shows a leucistic water moccassin. I know it’s not relevant, what I found fascinating, this leucistic was born to a captive born female that had never been with a male. Parthenogenesis. So anyway, perhaps this could mean that finding any leucistic snake doesn’t require two gene carriers (hets) to have a chance meeting in the wild for this trait to occur?
I mention this here (maybe should have started another topic?) because it seems really unusual to have two different people produce the T negative albinos that you mentioned. Perhaps like this leucistic, it doesn’t always require that both parents be genetic hets for this or any morph to pop out? Maybe there’s some random genes that just rotate up into the dominant or recessive region so that these things can potentially have a chance to become an advantageous trait within a population? So much yet to discover...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYe38XYrsVo

n/p
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D.Dedrick

I've been told before that all of Steve Osbornes Brooks came from Tim Ricks. I never bothered asking him out it.

A lot of wild-caught FL kings from the canefields enter the pet trade every year. Even more captive-hatched FL kings from wild-gravid females enter the pet trade. That's a lot of new genes coming in. If people more frequently inbred these, we'd probably see a lot more new morphs.

Thats quite a coincidence that two people produced T-negs this year. Are you going to produce any?

Thats quite a coincidence that two people produced T-negs this year. Are you going to produce any?

I am using my adult T negs for other projects, such as Mosaic x T neg. I will be producing some T negs this year from triple het to triple het breeding however.

T neg X Mosaic Florida kings copulating.

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